Guilherme Polo wrote: > 2008/3/27, Alex9968 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Guilherme Polo wrote: >> > 2008/3/26, Alex9968 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I use Tkinter's Pack widget geometry manager (I really prefer it over >> >> using visual GUI designers), so my question is which other GUI toolkits >> >> have similar functionality. >> >> >> > >> > The geometry manager isn't related to using GUI designers tools at >> > all. And each toolkit has it's own way to do the things, wxPython uses >> > sizers, PyGtk uses containers. >> > >> >> Well, the geometry manager isn't *directly* related to using GUI >> designers, but as Pack arranges widgets automatically, using GUI >> designers isn't required, while with geometry managers that don't, GUI >> designers are necessary (if you start placing widgets programmatically, >> you'll end up reinventing something like Tkinter's Pack or Grid geometry >> manager). I hope I can be understood clearly this time ;-) >> > > Not at all, can't understand your point yet. GUI designers aren't just > for placing widgets, they also will keep the interface design > separated from your code. > I do not want to separate interface from code and I do not experience the need to use GUI designers.
Pack arranges widgets perfectly, and it's very complex to do the same without it, both in code and in GUI designer. I wish toolkits I use to be able to place widgets one after another automatically. > >>>> Secondly, I like the detailed widget borders configuration possible in >>>> >> >> Tkinter, which can be used to tweak GUI look, and wonder if other >> >> toolkits support it. With Tkinter's case, I like the resulting (tweaked) >> >> look in Windows, but I'm afraid it can be quite different (and ugly) on >> >> other platforms. >> >> >> > >> > You sure can, but differently. >> > >> >> I suppose any toolkit allows setting parameters like "no border", "flat >> border" and "3d border", but which ones can set ANY type of border to >> ANY widget like Tkinter does? For example set GROOVE border to buttons >> and text widgets (instead of traditional wide raised/lowered borders), >> which is cool (in my opinion). >> >> > > The widgets subclass some base class, which contains some common > methods which could be the border and relief for example. > In the case of PyGtk, border > width is controlled at Container, so most widgets will have this > feature, but the relief style of the widget is not common to all > widgets so you will need to check this one (Button has it). > In wxPython, widgets will subclass Window, which has all you want and more. > But PyQt doesn't seem to care much about this, you can change the > widget to flat (if it makes sense to that widget have setFlat method) > but not much related to the borders. > You could recheck your use-cases and see if they are acceptable. > > >> >> (The reason I ever consider moving from Tkinter is some inconveniences, >> >> involving for example window scrolling, plus its smaller amount of >> >> widgets compared to some other toolkits, plus its (rumored) ugly look on >> >> certain environments. I will not necessary change the toolkit, but I >> >> have to consider it) >> >> >> >> >> > >> > I'm planning to "solve" this, I'm suggesting inclusion of Ttk into >> > Tkinter for upcoming GSoC. For now you could try using Tile extension, >> > and update to Tk 8.5. If you don't want to use extensions, then you >> > will have to wait or change the toolkit for now. >> > >> >> Thanks. I haven't heard of Tile before, now I will keep this in mind. >> You forgot to mention WHAT you're planning to solve ;-) , so I have to >> add that Tile is modernization of Tk widgets (so it fixes ugly look). >> >> > > WHAT I'm planning to solve, quote from my own paragraph: > "I'm planning to "solve" this, I'm suggesting inclusion of Ttk into > Tkinter for upcoming GSoC." > > I would like to add the possibility to use Ttk widgets into tkinter, > providing you have Tk 8.5. It would solve the problem of "not enough > widgets" and the other one of "being ugly" mainly. Tk 8.5 also > auto-fixes some other problems, it provides smooth-scrolling for the > text widget, for example. But keep in mind that using Tk 8.5 in Python > is not yet supported (but possible). > I understood you. I added that sentence just to make it clear for anyone reading this. Your participation is appreciated greatly, thank you. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
