James Stroud wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Looking at different MVC frameworks from many langauges from PHP to >> Python, I've concluded that the explosion of MVC frameworks is mainly >> due to undisciplined & unexperienced programmers. >> >> Nobody would argue about the separation of the layers because this is >> not the problem I have with it, if anything most implementations >> emphasis separation at the wrong places. The end solutions end up >> looking very mickey mouse. >> >> It's been long asserted starting with Smalltalk there there be a >> separation of layers with an application starting with the view (what >> the user sees), the controller (which controls the flow of the >> application) and the model (the representation of the data). >> >> What MVC does not emphasis is the separation of the data access layer, >> one of the most important pieces of an application. So what is done >> with this? For many the DAL is either encapsulated within the model >> or some toolkit that generates the SQL for them, this may lead to >> decreased overall security of a database and inefficient queries. >> >> The catalyst for MVC frameworks on the web has been the slew of poorly >> written applications mostly in PHP & Perl , this has driven many >> programmers looking for control & consistency. However this need is >> short sighted when people find a magical bullet MVC Framework, and do >> not place emphasis on minimization & reusability of code. Therefore >> you end up with the same paradigm as before, just crappy applications >> separated out into pieces. >> >> No doubt there should be separation of layers, but there also has to >> be a real dialogue about programming as a discipline & science, not as >> a craft of gluing popsicle sticks together. >> >> There should be more discussion of architecture before a project >> starts and more code reviews and discussions in project teams. Also >> one off projects (putting one programming on an island giving them a >> compiler/interpreter) is a great way to get a crappy application. >> >> That being said, I presently don't use one, but I'm still holding out >> for an MVC framework that works for me and provides me power, >> flexibility and is well documented. >> > > Xah, is that you?
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