[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Looking at different MVC frameworks from many langauges from PHP to > Python, I've concluded that the explosion of MVC frameworks is mainly > due to undisciplined & unexperienced programmers. > > Nobody would argue about the separation of the layers because this is > not the problem I have with it, if anything most implementations > emphasis separation at the wrong places. The end solutions end up > looking very mickey mouse. > > It's been long asserted starting with Smalltalk there there be a > separation of layers with an application starting with the view (what > the user sees), the controller (which controls the flow of the > application) and the model (the representation of the data). > > What MVC does not emphasis is the separation of the data access layer, > one of the most important pieces of an application. So what is done > with this? For many the DAL is either encapsulated within the model > or some toolkit that generates the SQL for them, this may lead to > decreased overall security of a database and inefficient queries. > > The catalyst for MVC frameworks on the web has been the slew of poorly > written applications mostly in PHP & Perl , this has driven many > programmers looking for control & consistency. However this need is > short sighted when people find a magical bullet MVC Framework, and do > not place emphasis on minimization & reusability of code. Therefore > you end up with the same paradigm as before, just crappy applications > separated out into pieces. > > No doubt there should be separation of layers, but there also has to > be a real dialogue about programming as a discipline & science, not as > a craft of gluing popsicle sticks together. > > There should be more discussion of architecture before a project > starts and more code reviews and discussions in project teams. Also > one off projects (putting one programming on an island giving them a > compiler/interpreter) is a great way to get a crappy application. > > That being said, I presently don't use one, but I'm still holding out > for an MVC framework that works for me and provides me power, > flexibility and is well documented. >
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