On 01/04/2014 08:46 AM, Jason Antman wrote:
After digressing into this discussion on #puppet last night, I was
wondering what the community feelings are on ENCs vs Hiera...
I know that Dashboard/Console still exists, but have heard rumors (for
years) of it being either replaced by something else, or totally
rewritten. Then there's Foreman, and a bunch of us with homegrown ENCs.
On the other hand, it seems that the bleeding edge of the community, or
many of those who are most active and knowledgeable, eschew the ENC idea
and generally respond with "use Hiera".
- Am I right that a community consensus seems to be forming around "ENCs
are bad" or "Don't use ENCs", use Hiera instead, essentially for
everyone other than Puppet Enterprise users who get a supported Console
install?
- If so, is this because of some actual failing of ENCs, or is it
because the currently available ENCs fail in certain areas?
I'm a fan of ENCs. I'm just starting work on my... third... that will
hopefully become a real thing, not just some in-house script. I like the
promise of being able to integrate report processing and *certain*
configuration on one screen in a web interface, hook it up to other
tools, give fine-grained access control (i.e. on the parameter level,
theoretically), and (unlike Hiera) easily see every class/param applied
to my node in one place. I also like - really, need - the fact that I
can change configuration data in my ENC via its API, from Jenkins or
arbitrary cli scripts...
But as I'm starting down the road of writing *another* ENC - hopefully
"a good one" this time - and more and more people whose advice and
knowledge I've respected for years say "use Hiera", I'm starting to
wonder if either (a) I'm totally missing something, or (b) the community
is increasingly ignoring a subset of us who, in fact, don't want every
bit of configuration data committed to a git repo and/or like web UIs
for certain things and/or need to manipulate that data via an API.
I'm sure (hope) I'll get more than a few informed responses to this, and
probably a bit of a holy war too. But I'm starting to question the way
I've looked at this for a long time (and ENC is a good thing).
Thanks,
Jason / jantman
FYI, the next generation of RedHat satellite (Subscription Manager?) are
based on Katello and Foreman.
http://www.katello.org/
Jason
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