On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:31 PM, John Bollinger <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:39:19 PM UTC-5, Luke Kanies wrote:
> Do we have agreement that it's a good idea to find a way to encourage users 
> to provide more dependencies, and that it would be good if we could somehow 
> detect when a dependency is likely to be missing?
> 
> 
> 
> I think it's a perfectly fine idea to encourage users to provide all needed 
> dependencies, and moreso if Puppet can help users figure out what those may 
> be.  I accept the premise that most users miss dependencies required to 
> ensure a valid order of application (even though their catalogs may be 
> applied successfully anyway), therefore I agree that it would be a good idea 
> to encourage them to provide more dependencies -- as long as the ones they 
> are encouraged to provide are in fact likely to be needed.  I just don't 
> accept simple lack of containment as an adequate criterion for identifying 
> missing dependencies.

I definitely agree it wouldn't catch all; I am hoping it would give us one 
category of dependency we could start making recommendations on.  As you note, 
though, I don't have actual data suggesting this would make it materially 
better.

> If we can agree on that, then maybe we can find a mechanism (which may or may 
> not involve containment) we can agree on.  If we can't agree on that, then 
> yeah, we're not going to agree. :)
> 
> 
> I'm willing to give it a try.

It's a start. :)


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