Thank you Ben, I remember the old output format from my first contact with SPSS as a student - I found information that it was .spo file extension while .spw is file extension for web reports: https://stats.idre.ucla.edu/spss/seminars/introduction-to-spss-syntax-2/ " SPSS output files have the file extension .spv. You can also save output files with the .spw extension, which is for the SPSS Web Reports format. Older SPSS output files may have the extension .spo. These files can be read with the SPSS Smart Viewer, which can be downloaded for free from the IBM SPSS website. Note that only .spo files that were created using a Windows machine can be read with the SPSS Smart Viewer. "
About graphics I meant GPL graphics: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLVMB_24.0.0/spss/base/syn_begin_gpl_overview.html "GPL blocks cannot be contained within DEFINE-!ENDDEFINE macro definitions" I don't really like that GPL command language, but I don't know if you ever plan to have graphics like that in PSPP. warm regards, Michal 2018-07-26 19:35 GMT+02:00 Ben Pfaff <b...@cs.stanford.edu>: > There seem to be several SPSS output formats. > > First, there's something really old (?) with an .spw extension. I > haven't looked at those at all and I don't have a corpus of them to > learn from, so PSPP won't support .spw files until those change. > > Second, there are effectively two different subformats of .spv files. > Both of them wrap XML and binary members inside a .zip file. In the > older format, graphs and tables are both represented by ViZML XML. This > is a fairly awful way to represent a table, so the newer format switches > to a binary format for tables (SPSS calls this format "light"). There > are different sub-versions for that binary format, too. Currently my > reader understands the light table format (all versions I've run into) > and I'm working on the older format. > > I haven't tried to make PSPP understand SPSS graphs. That's a lot more > work. > > When this feature gets in, it's probably going to take several > iterations of bug reports and fixes, because I'm implementing it by > reading lots of .spv files and making sure that the reader supports > them. Even though it successfully reads the thousands of .spv files > I've collected, I imagine that there will be lots that it initially > cannot. For those, I hope that users will send them to me so that I can > add them to my corpus and fix the bugs. Other than those bugs, PSPP > should be able to open any .spv file, regardless of what procedures they > use. > > Which graphics commands can't be called from macros? > > Thanks, > > Ben. > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 07:24:18PM +0200, Michał Dubrawski wrote: > > Thank you Ben. I understand the context now. Good to hear that spv format > > will help. By the way does it mean that unlike SPSS which if I remember > > well cannot open spv created in older versions of SPSS, PSPP would be > able > > to open any spv? Would it be only able to read spv with output from > > procedures that are also implemented in PSPP? > > One more thing I really hate how they made graphics commends which could > > not be called from macros - please don't go that way if you would like to > > implement it in PSPP someday :) > > > > W dniu czwartek, 26 lipca 2018 Ben Pfaff <b...@cs.stanford.edu> > napisał(a): > > > > > MULT RESPONSE might also benefit from the work I'm doing. I've looked > > > at MULT RESPONSE before, and one of the things that kept me from > > > implementing it is the output complexity. CROSSTABS also has very > > > complex output routines, to the extent the complexity of the output > > > comes close to overshadowing the complexity of the data analysis. MULT > > > RESPONSE is worse. > > > > > > But most of the complexity comes from how PSPP internally has no > > > systematic approach to displaying data as tables. (It does have decent > > > support for rendering tables into different formats, but not for > > > converting data into tables to be rendered.) The SPV format actually > > > points a good way forward on this point, so when the appropriate amount > > > of work is done, it should allow CROSSTABS to be nicer internally and > > > then a reasonable MULT RESPONSE implementation too. > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:56:17AM +0200, Michał Dubrawski wrote: > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > > > > it is great to hear that you are working with spv output. I know that > > > they > > > > were changing it from version to version so it seem like quite a > > > challenge, > > > > but based on what challenges you have faced before when making PSPP > > > > compatible to SPSS I'm sure you will handle it :) > > > > > > > > CTABLES or Tables in the future will be very useful but I think that > what > > > > would be most important for students, social sicentists, > psychologists, > > > > market researchers or virtualy anyone who analyse any survey results > > > would > > > > be the possibility to display mrsets in one table, which could be > done in > > > > SPSS with MULT RESPONSE command. Without it PSPP wouldn't be an > option > > > to > > > > display survey results because almost all surveys have multi response > > > > questions. The only free alternative would be some packages in R > which > > > are > > > > not as accessible (easy to use) as PSPP. > > > > > > > > Any way to display MRSETS in the PSPP output would be very valuable > for a > > > > lot of people even if it would be a cross tabs extension allowing the > > > usage > > > > of mrsets in it or something like that. When people graduate from > > > > psychology, sociology, social science or pedagogics departments they > have > > > > knowledge how to build a surveys - there are a lot of tools that > allow > > > them > > > > to collect data via online surveys, but when it comes to displaying > the > > > > results in tables for the reports they all have a software problem > > > because > > > > many non-profits and startups cannot afford SPSS + Custom Tables > > > licenses, > > > > and from my experience that is exactly the software they know how to > use > > > > because of their Universities. > > > > > > > > That said, thanks again to Ben and all the developers and all other > > > people > > > > involved with PSPP project - you have done tremendous work so far. > > > > > > > > Michał Dubrawski, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:48:33 -0700 > > > > > From: Ben Pfaff <b...@cs.stanford.edu> > > > > > To: Alan Mead <am...@alanmead.org> > > > > > Cc: "pspp-users@gnu.org" <pspp-users@gnu.org> > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > Re: PSPP CTABLES > > > > > Message-ID: <20180725154833.gf18...@sigabrt.benpfaff.org> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > > > > > > I think it's likely that I'll change PSPP to use the same output > model. > > > > > One reason that it differed until now is simply that it wasn't > clear to > > > > > me how SPSS really modeled output. The documentation on it is > pretty > > > > > muddy. > > > > > > > > > > I've now got code that reads and understands most .spv files just > fine. > > > > > I'm still working on reading the oldest kind of .spv files, which > use a > > > > > really funny way to encode tables. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:32:11AM -0500, Alan Mead wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, I'm excited that you're working on reading SPV format. I > had > > > > > > assumed that the implicit output model might preclude > compatibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/24/2018 4:30 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > > > > > > There might be some small hope here because I've been spending > a > > > lot of > > > > > > > time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output > file > > > > > > > format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. > Implicit in > > > that > > > > > > > format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which > seems > > > to be > > > > > > > entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might > therefore > > > lead > > > > > > > someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 09:21:11PM +0000, Crichton, Ronald > wrote: > > > > > > >> I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be > > > difficult. > > > > > Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite > like it > > > and > > > > > used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, > and > > > can?t > > > > > get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of > it. > > > > > Can?t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available > in > > > SPSS. > > > > > So, here?s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version > of > > > TABLES > > > > > with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they > have > > > > > stuffed up something that used to be quite good. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> From: Pspp-users [mailto:pspp-users-bounces+ronald.crichton= > > > > > cit.edu...@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Jakub ?krob?nek > > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM > > > > > > >> To: pspp-users@gnu.org > > > > > > >> Subject: PSPP CTABLES > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES > > > > > implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu > . > > > > > narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables- > > > > > ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. 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