Great, I appreciate your open mind, very much in line with the excellent atmosphere I breathe from this mailing list.
I'm glad I joined a month ago, and would like to thank members for blowing this amount of fresh air. Fletcher, I wish you all the best with your client. Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud PS: we'll soon cast a couple of videos showing the whole FIC process, including maitenance. Le 24 juin 2011 à 19:08, "Fletcher Johnson" <[email protected]> a écrit : > Thierry, > > You have some good points. But our customers don’t have or want to manage a > webserver. They just want to install the application and go. And they also > feel that using a browser opens them up to potential hacks - which is not a > good thing in their case. So regardless of what I think, I have to give them > what they want or they will just go to another vendor who will..... > > But I will certainly keep your comments in mind for other situations. > > Thanks, > > Fletcher > > > Fletcher Johnson > [email protected] > 408-781-2345 - Cell > 408-946-0960 - Work > 501-421-9629 - Fax > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Thierry Nivelet > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app > > Yeap, I understand, they do fall in the irrational, technophobe group I was > mentioning. > > And, strangely enough, even in this case a web-based solution can help... > > In any scenario you need some kind of open door for upgrade, maintenance and > other stuff; unless you physically come to the client's place with your > toolbox on every issue, you probably have some kind of inward access to act > upon workstations, server, LAN resources. > > A Web-based solution like FoxInCloud acts exactly the same except you only > need a http access for maintenance: no 'remote desktop' or the like needed > for 99% maintenance tasks. Just execute a VFP program to upload and > substitute the new app version; users just see a 'maintenance in progress' > message for 30 seconds and resume working without any loss of data or work > context. > It's just 'transparent': no need to warn them, ask them to log off, etc. > > Another strong point is the freedom of choice for users regarding their > equipment: go for Mac if you like, or Linux, or pad, or whatever you see fit > for your taste and needs. No constraint on 'windows xx', no pollution of your > app by 3rd party software like antivirus, less administrative burden to > control OS upgrades or the like: your users are totally free, even on their > preferred browser. > > So, IMHO, offering a LAN server-based app can be a very pertinent offer to > such a tech-agnostic client, especially if, with a tool like FoxInCloud, you > can offer it at 1/5 th of your competitor's cost while making good money. > > Thierry Nivelet > http://foxincloud.com/ > Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > > Le 24 juin 2011 à 01:43, "Fletcher Johnson" <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> Thierry, >> >> In addition to being very security conscious, they are also not very >> technical. So they need a very easy to use application that doesn't >> use resources that are open to the web. Desktop apps accessing a >> local SQL network tend to fit this category. Many of them use .dbf >> tables because they can't even set up an SQL server (which the current >> VFP app also supports.) >> >> With my other gig (a defense contractor), your approach would work just fine. >> >> Take care, >> >> Fletcher >> >> Fletcher Johnson >> [email protected] >> 408-946-0960 - Work >> 501-421-9629 - Fax >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:47 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app >> >> Just completing my previous point ... >> >> If your client has real irrational concerns about security, you can always >> install the 'web' server in his LAN, and keep maintenance control over it >> (upgrade, clean up, etc.) through a dedicated port specifically opened for >> your IP at your expressed request. >> >> That's how our more security addicts clients operate. >> >> Thierry Nivelet >> http://foxincloud.com/ >> Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud >> >> Le 23 juin 2011 à 04:48, Thierry Nivelet <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> Fletcher, Jeff, >>> >>> Regarding web apps, what security issue do you think of ? >>> >>> We have clients with professional secret duty using web apps ! >>> >>> In the past data used to travel over the web; with Ajax web apps, only user >>> events and UI change orders travel, nothing significant or compromising; >>> and SSL easily fills this residual security 'leak'. >>> >>> Thierry Nivelet >>> http://foxincloud.com/ >>> Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud >>> >>> Le 22 juin 2011 à 23:23, "Fletcher Johnson" <[email protected]> a >>> écrit : >>> >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> Due to security reasons, it cannot be a web or cloud based app. So >>>> that limits some of the choices. Also, it is for one of those >>>> markets where Windows desktops prevail almost universally. So there >>>> is limited need for cross platform support. >>>> >>>> We are planning on a long term conversion, with our goal being to >>>> have the entire application suite converted by the 2015. This is >>>> not a trivial application. >>>> >>>> So we will continue to support/enhance the VFP products. But we are >>>> running into IT departments that are making roadblocks to new sales >>>> because of the >>>> 2015 deadline. >>>> >>>> What other languages would you recommend, now that you know more? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Fletcher >>>> >>>> Fletcher Johnson >>>> [email protected] >>>> 408-946-0960 - Work >>>> 501-421-9629 - Fax >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:07 PM >>>> To: ProFox Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app >>>> >>>> On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Fletcher Johnson wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I am working with a new company that has a successful VFP app that >>>>> they need to convert to .NET as MS will be cancelling support for >>>>> VFP soon and the customers IT departments are getting nervous. So >>>>> I have been asked to help with a rewrite. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure there have been many discussions on this topic. Can >>>>> anyone point me to some of the more current and complete >>>>> discussions on this topic (on this list or otherwise)? >>>>> >>>>> The new app will continue to be a desktop app and will have the >>>>> same interface (so there is no retraining required to implement the >>>>> new >>>> version). >>>>> It currently has the option to have data stored as local .dbf >>>>> tables or on an MS SQL table. So we also need to continue to >>>>> support local/disconnected data sets. >>>>> >>>>> We are looking for suggestions on application frameworks, data >>>>> libraries (ORM, etc.), VS technologies >>>>> (Silverlight/WPF/Winform/ADO/etc.) and other resources that will >>>>> aid in the conversion. We are not looking for something that will >>>>> just "convert" the code to .net as there are some key architectural >>>>> changes we >>>> want to implement under the hood. >>>>> >>>>> Any links or other references to point me in the right direction >>>>> will be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow! Support doesn't officially end until 2015 I think, and even >>>> after that, it should last for YEARS! Look at the large number of >>>> FPD, FPW and >>>> pre-VFP9 apps out there yet! BUT, I realize you're just a soldier >>>> following orders. Are you familiar with any of the DotNet languages? >>>> Must it be a Microsoft language? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Babcock, MCP >>>> MB Software Solutions, LLC >>>> President, Chief Software Architect >>>> http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com >>>> http://fabmate.com >>>> http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 >>>> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
