On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 09:21:22PM -0400, Viktor Dukhovni 
<postfix-us...@dukhovni.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:26:09AM +1000, raf wrote:
> 
> > The only alternative would be to close port 25, use port 465
> > (TLS-only) instead, 
> 
> This profoundly confuses the SMTP (relay) protocol with the 
> SUBMIT protocol.  MTAs won't EVER send on port 465 or 587.
> 
> -- 
>     Viktor.

Yes. That's why I said "But that's not going to happen".
And similarly, port 25 will never be TLS-only. STARTTLS
isn't going away.

cheers,
raf

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