Right, I figured they were from your stats, but figured I'd ask since I never 
saw any MTA-STS data on your site :)

Anyway, I'm happy I didn't misunderstand the state of things, at least. Looking 
forward to getting a
"secure-but-also-dane" option in smtp_tls_policy_maps eventually :)

Matt

On 7/4/20 4:31 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:20:59PM -0700, Matt Corallo wrote:
> 
>> Oh wow, thanks for the numbers. Where did you get those, btw?
> 
>     https://stats.dnssec-tools.org/
>     https://stats.dnssec-tools.org/about.html
> 
>> I guess, indeed, it’s not much of an issue until 2021 when outlook
>> deploys DANE for inbound (at least so they claim), at which point a
>> substantial volume of mail will hit this.
> 
> The customer domains opting-in to DANE on Microsoft's cloud platform
> will not quickly alter the landscape.  And quite possibly not all of
> them will also enable MTA-STS.
> 
>> Of course but the time most users adopt code written today it’ll be
>> 2021 at least (thanks Debian, Redhat, et al).
> 
> Perhaps so, but the present options are workable, and the requirements
> will be more clear a couple of years from now.
> 

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