> On 08 Jun 2020, at 16:21, yuv <post...@sfina.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2020-06-07 at 20:36 -0600, @lbutlr wrote:
>> On 07 Jun 2020, at 06:38, yuv <post...@sfina.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a valid reason for a sender not to fix something so
>>> essential as DNS configuration?
>>
>> That’s not the question.
>
> Oh, yes it is.
Really not.
> Making room for degraded configurations is detrimental to the protocol and to
> the federation of internet email server operators if internet email is ever
> to mature into a reliable messaging system on par with snailmail.
Yes, you can take a political "this is wrong" stance if you want. Or you can
get the mail. The choice is yours. Certainly my blocking yahoo serves is a
political decision.
If you have users, you have less of a choice.
>> The question is, do you want to receive the mail or not? If you do,
>> then don’t use reject_unknown_helo_hostname
>>
>> It’s a question only you can answer, but it seems most admins find
>> that this results in too much lost mail.
>
> The consequence of this narrow framing is that internet email is
> serving the interest of spammers more than the interest of recipients.
Completely irrelevant.
> Spammers pay admins better than recipients, so we get what we pay for.
I don't know what this means.
> Meanwhile, alternative messaging systems with more rigid controls, some
> of which are proprietary, achieve maturity much faster.
Uh huh. I've been hearing about the death of email for 20 years. I look forward
to it, but I don't think it's happening in my lifetime.
> Some of them achieve scale as well. At some point, the cost/benefit analysis
> of maintaining internet email vs. using alternatives such as SMS will tilt
> obviously against email
Sure it will. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will happen (SMS is
garbage), but it is still irrelevant to the topic.
> and that's where "most admins" will regret their narrow view.
How do you figure? You think we run Mailservers because we are emotionally
invested in the idea of email as the ONE TRUE INFORMATION EXCHANGE? Nope. We
are mail admins because we and our users need email. As soon as that is no
longer the case I will gleefully switch to the better thing.
--
Disorder is merely the order you were not looking for." Henri Bergson
