Google groups replace the from: with their group address. What I know the big 
providers having strict DMARC setting are:

mail.ru
laposte.net

I am glad the more large providers like gmail, outlook don’t have this stupid 
setting.

Regards

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Roland Köbler wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > when validating DMARC, it use the envelop address, or use from address from 
> > the header?
> it unfortunately uses the from-header.
> (If it would use the envelope address, it would not cause that much
> problems.)
> 
> Or in short: DMARC intentionally breaks every mailinglist and every 
> mail-forwarding.
> So, if a mail-provider uses a strict DMARC-policy, it effectively
> says: "Our mail-addresses may not be used for mailinglists."
> 
> The cleanest solution for mailinglists would be to reject mails from
> such adresses. (Spoofing the From-header by removing the authors address
> and replacing it by the lists address, and so hiding the original author,
> could of course also be done, but is not really a good solution.)
> 
> Roland
> 
> 

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