Dnia 22.11.2019 o godz. 10:45:42 Wesley Peng pisze:
> 
> So mailing list makes DKIM or SPF failed?
> 
> Thank you for your helps.

My opinion is that the actual problem is that people who invented SPF and/or
DMARC had wrong assumptions about how email works/should work.

They assumed email is a straight and simple one-to-one communication like
HTTP. If you send a mail from user1@xxx to user2@yyy, it goes straight from
sending server for domain xxx to receiving server for domain yyy. So the
receiving server can check if the email is coming from a "valid",
"authorized" server for domain xxx (despite the fact that there isn't - and
never was - such thing as "valid sending server" for any domain).

This concept puts mailing lists, email forwarding and similar things
completely out of scope. I would dare to say that these things simply did not
exist for inventors of SPF/DMARC. That means, they obviously knew these
things exist, but assumed they are completely unimportant and shouldn't (in
their approach) be used.

Big email providers started adopting SPF/DMARC etc. also without much
thinking about these seemingly "unimportant" use cases, and then suddenly it
turned out that we have quite a problem.

You may disagree of course, but that's just how I see it. There is a quite
old article about why SPF is wrong, but in my opinion this article didn't
date a bit: http://david.woodhou.se/why-not-spf.html
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