On 27 Mar 2019, at 3:51, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

On 26 Mar 2019, at 14:47, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
if the mailing list doesn't modify existing headers, DKIM signatures are
valid but they don't align, so DMARC policy is violated.

On 26.03.19 15:40, Bill Cole wrote:
No: without modification of From, the original DKIM signature does align with From, which is good enough that DMARC can pass IF the signature is valid.

From what I know, the header From: (DKIM) is supposed to be aligned with envelope from (SPF), which is not applicable for lists that keep header
From: but use their own envelope from.

That is a misunderstanding of DMARC alignment. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7489#section-3.1

If the From domain has a DMARC record, then at least one of DKIM and/or SPF must authenticate a domain aligned to the From domain. Mailing lists break alignment to SPF by necessity, so SPF authentication is not relevant to DMARC and mailing lists. If the original From domain is used in a DKIM signature, the mailing list must either perfectly avoid breaking the signature validity (which is harder than it seems) or change the From header so that its domain no longer has a DMARC record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC#Mailing_lists

Wikipedia is not a good reference for any technical standard. In this case, that section it is at best misleading and (as I read it,) simply wrong.


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