On 2017-04-13 15:55:12 (+0200), Zbyszek Żółkiewski <t...@onefellow.com> wrote:
Wiadomość napisana przez Philip Paeps <phi...@trouble.is> w dniu 13.04.2017, o 
godz. 15:50:
On 2017-04-13 14:53:50 (+0200), Zbyszek Żółkiewski <t...@onefellow.com> wrote:
Wiadomość napisana przez Zbyszek Żółkiewski <t...@onefellow.com> w dniu 
13.04.2017, o godz. 13:33:
Question: postfix 2.11: I have configured both RSA and ECDSA support on the server (smtpd_tls_cert_file and smtpd_tls_eccert_file) and support for ECDSA works great - however ECDSA is _never_ selected as cipher for sending or receiving mails. To check if it is properly configured i have disabled RSA support and running server only with ECDSA and i confirm it works with gmail servers for example (cipher ECDHE-ECDSA…). Is there any way i can force postfix to first try ECDHE-ECDSA… and then fallback to RSA? Note, i have tried custom tls_high_cipherlist but no luck…

I think i found solution to this, by modifying default high list to:

tls_high_cipherlist = ECDSA:aNULL:-aNULL:ALL:!EXPORT:!LOW:!MEDIUM:+RC4:@STRENGTH

server now prefers ECDSA over RSA. Can someone cross-check if that is correct solution for a problem and not pose any risk?

This poses an interoperability risk. You should carefully check your maillogs for the ciphers you're excluding with this.

Try something like:

  egrep "TLS connection established from.*with cipher" \
  /var/log/maillog* | awk \
  '{printf("%s %s %s %s\n", $12, $13, $14, $15)}' | \
  sort | uniq -c | sort -n

This will give you a list of ciphers negotiated by occurence.

I would not recommend fiddling with the default TLS cipherlists unless you have a very specific need.

Note that many senders will fall back to plain SMTP if they can't negotiate TLS with you. I feel a little security is better than no security at all.

thanks for the comment. But please not that i am using defaults postfix „high” settings - my only change is to force ECDSA at the beginning of the cipher list.

Sorry. I missed that you were on Postfix 2.11. I looked at ``postconf -d tls_high_cipherlist`` on my Postfix 3.1.4 installation and it does not list !MEDIUM or +RC4.

adding ECDSA causes to change order only to the defaults. This could be also some kind of feature requests to postfix maintainers - to have option to sort (not change) cipher list.

You can achieve that using ``tls_{high,medium,low}_cipherlist`` together with ``tls_preempt_cipherlist = yes``. I don't really think Postfix is the correct place to sort ciphers by preference. That's something to do in OpenSSL.

Philip

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