On 08/12/2016 13:28, Dusan Obradovic wrote:
On Dec 8, 2016, at 08:39, Dominic Raferd <domi...@timedicer.co.uk> wrote:

If nothing was specified as smtp_fallback_relay would it wait and try again on 
a transient error or would it just give up immediately? If the former, this 
would give me the behaviour I want but I really need to have the fallback 
option too (in case of permanent errors, or transient errors that don't go 
away).
With or without smtp_fallback_relay, 4xx temporary failure is retried for 
maximal_queue_lifetime = 5d (default), while 5xx permanent failure is bounced 
immediately.

Thanks for your swift reply Dusan. What you write is logical but my postfix doesn't seem to behave that way. I have no special setting for maximal_queue_lifetime but I give below a recent extract from my log (obfuscated). After trying both gmail hosts and being pushed away with 421 4.7.0 it goes straight to the fallback relay ('relay.gridlock.net') with delay <=1s. This particular server has no relayhost set (but I see the same behaviour on another server which has).

2016-12-07 14:24:21 vps987654 postfix/smtp[20615]: E36A63E978: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[64.233.184.27] said: 421-4.7.0 [164.237.148.196 15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of 421-4.7.0 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.0 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.0 rate limited. Please visit 421-4.7.0 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.0 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. fg2si24349207wjb.134 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command) 2016-12-07 14:24:21 vps987654 postfix/smtp[20615]: Untrusted TLS connection established to alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.205.27]:25: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) 2016-12-07 14:24:21 vps987654 postfix/smtp[20615]: E36A63E978: host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.205.27] said: 421-4.7.0 [164.237.148.196 15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of 421-4.7.0 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.0 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.0 rate limited. Please visit 421-4.7.0 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.0 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. 25si11413277ljn.37 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command) 2016-12-07 14:24:22 vps987654 postfix/smtp[20615]: Untrusted TLS connection established to relay.gridlock.net[212.37.41.209]:25: TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits) 2016-12-07 14:25:07 vps987654 postfix/smtp[20615]: E36A63E978: to=<mymailna...@gmail.com>, orig_to=<enqu...@mydomain.com>, relay=relay.gridlock.net[212.37.41.209]:25, delay=47, delays=0.01/0/1.3/45, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Queued!)
2016-12-07 14:25:07 vps987654 postfix/qmgr[19676]: E36A63E978: removed

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