Hi Victor,
>> Gmx and web.de do support SMTP-DANE (with bugs)
>Can you provide a bit more detail on the outbound problems  with gmx.de/web.de?
Negation missing in your wording: United Internet never delivers to a server 
that has a certificate valid via TLSA record only but cannot be validated to a 
standard root certificate. That behaviour would be OK (my understanding) when 
also implementing MTA-STS, but afai can tell, they don´t.
I sent them a mail via their DPO, but never got a reply.
Regards,
Joachim

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Von: Viktor Dukhovni via Postfix-users <postfix-users@postfix.org> 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Juni 2024 14:11
An: postfix-users@postfix.org
Betreff: [pfx] Re: DANE and STS

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 01:35:30PM +0200, Joachim Lindenberg via Postfix-users 
wrote:

> I have done some testing via my own tool and published results on 
> https://blog.lindenberg.one/EmailSecurityTest.
> 
> Gmx and web.de do support SMTP-DANE (with bugs)

Can you provide a bit more detail on the outbound problems  with gmx.de/web.de?

It appears you report that they "fail" when the server certificate chain does 
chain up to a trusted CA.  Is that also the case for other STARTTLS servers, 
even without DANE?  Or does their DANE implementation "raise the bar" on WebPKI 
conformance?

Has anyone tried to open a bug report with these providers?

-- 
    Viktor.
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