Mr. Jogalekar, I agree with what Sunil Bhaskar has said. Replying because I am one of 1200 users who is interested to have my queries answered on plug list and do not want to be neutral.
On 1/3/13, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa....@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे > <mandarv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sudhanwa, >> >> It was great to finally hear from "the other side". > > "the other side" ?? What is it? I am not representing any side. I told > what I know/remember. > In the earlier years, I was not even knowing who were the moderators. > For me, it was not even required to know. Out of the 12+ odd years of > the list, I was not there (admin/mod) at all for most of the time. > Even today, if required, I do mail admin job only in very rare > situations. (That too, releasing my own critical mails is being > objected now) > >> If PLUG is indeed supposed to be "very popular" mailing list then we would >> see enough discussions about linux. > > Popular is a generic and relative word. Start using SMS lingo on the > list, it will be popular instantaneously. No need to talk about FOSS > anymore to become popular. > >> Quick look at the archives tell me that in 2006-07 monthly messages were >> 150+, in recent times it is < 50 >> I leave it up to each of the pluggie to interpret the numbers, and come to >> their own conclusion. > > During that time, people really had many problems right from > selection/getting a distro, installation and devices support etc. Now, > CD/DVDs are available everywhere and they properly install/run out of > the box without any hardware issues. As such, the very basic purpose > of initial support for the users is lost quite some time back. Also, > thanks to LUG activities in the background, FOSS is almost everywhere > in most of the University courses. As such, the outreach and > additional support required at that time is not required now. However, > people do get to list more, when they realise project work on Linux > can fetch good marks :-) > > By the way, less number of mails and overall less activity is the > general trend across all the LUGs and not only for PLUG. > >> Personally, I think while a public mailing list should be spam free, it >> MUST >> be useful. >> No one is asking to "remove all filters" - but some rules can be relaxed >> (one such touchy issue is top posting) >> What is more important ? Being useful or sticking to the principle and >> being >> shunning away the community ? A point to ponder. > > Please understand that top posting can not be trapped. If a mail is > already held up for any reason for moderator approval, only then it > can be seen and rejected for top posting. Any top posting mail can > reach directly if it is not trapped because of filters (or for users > with moderation bit set). > And even if one gets rejection for top posting, why the person can not > take it as a basic etiquette of the list? Why he/she want to continue > top posting further? > >>> added by default for every new list member. In any case, new members >>> were supposed to be on the list for some time, understand what is >>> happening and then start posting to the list. The typical time frame >>> for this was about a month or so. After that, the new member was >>> supposed to send mail to admins to remove the moderation for them. >>> Well, as usual, very few people really understood this and became >>> unhappy about it. Unfortunately, the unhappy trend still continues. >> >> >> Is this practice still "on" ? http://www.plug.org.in/mailing-list/ does >> not >> mention this - Especially that part that "the new member was >> supposed to send mail to admins to remove the moderation for them" > > I think it was there somewhere/some time. No idea when/if it is lost. > May be it was mentioned in the joining mail to the user. > >>> >>> moderation in their own perspectives. On the PLUG mailing list, it is >>> >>> a practice that the mail will either reach to the list as_it_is (that >>> means without any moderation/editing) >> >> >> I think this needs to be explained better to the world. Most people >> (including myself) understand moderation as "reject unwanted emails" >> no one thinks moderation as "editing before sending out to the list". >> Later >> is practically impossible (in terms of time) >> I suggest the website is updated to say "emails are sent to the list as-is >> without editing" rather than saying "list of unmoderated" > > My understanding is coming from whatever I heard/understood and was > told by the seniors that time in the initial phases. My understanding > still continues the same way. If those oldies have changed their > thoughts, I can not do anything about it. > >>> >>> Apart from a very few people on the list who are raising questions >>> about the mailing list, I have not come across anyone who is raising >>> the issue. >> >> >> That may be because very few people are persistent enough to raise voice >> for >> what they believe. Others' emails are "rejected" my mailman :) Thus giving >> impression that "very few people" raising concern. > > I don't think any mail is rejected by mailman or the list admin/s just > because it has words against the functioning the the list/PLUG. > >>> >>> Well, it is upto the mailing list members to decide how the list >>> should work. If majority feels that it should be more open, let it be. >> >> >> Only if majority is heard. Not if majority emails are rejected by the list >> (humans or filters or combination, it doesn't matter) >> It seems several people have discussed this issue offline as well - but no >> change. > > Well, there are more than 1200 people on the list. We see just about > 10 people on this (or any such other) thread. Either so many people do > not understand what is happening or they are not interested or they > want to remain neutral. > > -Sudhanwa > ps: I am not taking any stand here. 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