David Schwartz you are one of the smartest guys I know, I have deep
respect for you. It is very disappointing that we are polar opposites
when it comes to politics and religion.
In reading this post I am biting my tongue. I would ask that we all
refrain from getting into political discourse.
I have lots of LAMP questions and all of you on this list have something
to offer.
As mentioned in a post yesterday I might currently be the most active
member of this list. As said I have tons of LAMP questions. For
On 2025-01-26 03:51, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On Jan 26, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 25 Jan 2025 12:44:19
-0700
And when claiming ChatGPT is giving you unbiased information
about
politics, especially anything that involves Trump, you’re
fooling
yourself. Trump says whatever he wants and doesn’t care because
he
conned the SCOTUS into ruling that he has “absolute immunity”.
See. I knew the original post would come to the preceding.
SteveT
I guess that means you will NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances,
complain about the shift happening on large social media platforms to
stop fact-checking things.
Because what we call the “truth” today is now a matter of
political convenience and leverage rather than rooted in anything
based in fact.
And if facts and truth are unrooted, then why should you expect
anything on a platform like ChatGPT to be any different?
Remember that this whole conversation started out with an assertion
that ChatGPT is a BETTER SOURCE OF FACTS AND TRUTH than traditional
news media. For media that cares about the FACTS and it’s own
INTEGRITY, then I’d say that’s total BS. My experience with these
AI platforms is that it’s VERY BUGGY in terms of accuracy.
Unfortunately, if you aren’t familiar with the subject matter,
you’re not going to know that. Or even if you are but you trust it
and don’t bother reviewing the material with a critical eye.
FWIW, I was having an interesting conversation with ChatGPT about a
variety of financial topics, and at one point it showed a split-screen
type of display and asked my opinion about which response I thought
was better — the one on the left or the one on the right. It was the
same basic info just presented differently.
i chose the one on the right, even though it had a blatent error in it
that was displayed correct on the left side:
In a bullet item that related to a corporation making a loan to you as
an owner/employee, it said this regarding the interest paid on the
loan:
_You repay the loan with interest, and the business can even deduct
the interest as a business expense!_
In fact, this was the most BLATENT error I found during the rather
lengthy discussion we had, but hardly the only error I encountered. (I
caught over a dozen, and I’m not a CPA or even an accountant.)
As far as people who like to wave stinky allegations about “the
Biden crime family” taking a $10M bribe” — the one that a Senate
investigation turned up nothing but a guy who lied repeatedly to the
FBI, then owned-up and SAID IT WAS ALL A LIE — and yet don’t even
wince when someone mentions that Trump’s son-in-law — with
absolutely zero experience doing financial management — was handed
$2 BILLION to manage and given a 1.25% management fee ($25M), then I
rest my case.
NEITHER OF THESE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS IS FACTUALLY DISPUTABLE. THE
FORMER IS A BLATENT LIE THAT’S REPEATED OVER AND OVER AS IF IT’S
TRUE, AND THE LATTER IS 100% FACTUAL THAT NOBODY WHO REPEATS THE
FORMER LIE WILL **EVER** DISCUSS!
Facts don’t matter any more. It’s that simple. They're merely a
lever to be used by political opportunists.
Just for contrast, the alleged $10M “bribe” paid to “Biden crime
family” is just a bit smaller than the ~$25M fee — paid ANNUALLY
— to the “Trump crime family” as part of a totally inexplicable
transaction that nobody in their right mind could rationalize given
the other “facts” in play (that are also totally ignored).
I’M NOT TALKING POLITICS HERE!!!!
This thred is about one simple question: DO FACTS STILL MATTER?
There are people who will go to their death bed swearing that the LIE
in the case above is more compelling than the TRUTH. I know that.
Y’all know that. And I’m sure someone here might even be tempted
to try defending it. (That would only reinforce what I just said
here.)
If 40 milloin people “can’t be wrong” about this, then who are
we to say ChatGPT isn't 100% factual AND more accurate than
traditional news outlets — in spite of the clear evidence to the
contrary?
If you want to argue politics, then declare where you stand FIRST
about whether FACTS MATTER TO YOU.
Because if they do, then don’t waste our time with lies.
Most political discussions today are a waste of time because they have
become rooted in lies. And I am not interested in debating lies.
-David Schwartz
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