I think my next car will be some old iron without any of the modern
electronic....
On 2018-01-05 11:40, Stephen Partington wrote:
> I still do not want my car to be the massively online thing that car makers
> seem to think is the bes thing ever. cause they have no clue what security
> is.
>
> Leave my car dumb, gime a bluetooth interface to my phone and leave me be...
>
> And get off my lawn :-P
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:47 AM, der.hans <[email protected]> wrote:
> Am 05. Jan, 2018 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:
>
> It is certainly a deciding factor in my desire to move to AMD on my CPU
> rollout. Trying to imagine a car salesperson knowing which CPUs are in a
> particular
> model and utterfly failing.
>
> Luckily IoT generally has so many holes that we don't need to worry about
> meltdown and spectre for them...
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:39 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I think they have a moral obligation to destroy all effected chips that
> are in the pipeline. Dell and others need to stop sales and not continue
> selling until the CPU is fixed.
>
> This is much bigger than we know. Almost every computer is effected. The
> intermittent fix is software. What keeps some smart and devious person
> from creating an app that replaced the patch with their own and then they
> can drain your bank account... crash your automated or self driving car....
> Yikes.
>
> The real solution is a new generation of chips that are not exploitable.
> That means replacing every computer and device that is effected.
>
> This should be a wake up call to all of us. We are way too dependent on
> computers.
>
> There will be major fireworks over this. I can see a lot of companies
> getting sued. And the only ones that win are the lawyers.
>
> This is going to be with us for years.
>
> I have 7 computers that can be or already are connected to the internet.
> A lot of it is old technology, however it's value is in testing. I am a
> software developer. As long as I keep them on a private net I am ok....
> Otherwise I will need to replace at least 2.
>
> This is a potential nightmare.... Patching hardware with software is a
> weak plan. All that need to happen is some wise person to figure out how
> to replace the patch with their own. Say good by to our economy if that
> happens.
>
> What a mess!!
>
> On 2018-01-03 18:12, Matthew Crews wrote:
>
> I would be more concerned IF the next gen CPU has this fixed. All's I know
> is that if Intel wants to fix the very next gen, they will need to scrap a
> lot of silicon that has already been finished.
>
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>
> email.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Jan 3, 2018, 15:35, Nathan O'Brennan wrote:
>
> I'm more curious to know which versions of Intel's upcoming chips have
> been fixed already. I would like to upgrade my current workstation in the
> next year and will stick with Intel despite any performance impact over AMD.
>
> On 2018-01-03 00:43, Aaron Jones wrote:
>
> I read the performance hit for Intel chips will be %35 or so after the
> fix.
>
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> so, does this mean that the UEFI might get patched first? OR, does the OS
> ecology have to do so first? Lastly, how much of a performance hit will
> this represent?
>
> -eric
> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, the "oh look! yet
> another bug!" Dept.
>
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Crews wrote:
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/ [1]
>
> In a nutshell, it is a major security flaw in Intel hardware dating back a
> decade that is requiring a complete kernel rewrite for every major OS
> (Linux, Windows, Mac, etc) in order to patch out. It cannot be patched out
> with a CPU microcode update. Major enough that code comments are redacted
> in the patches until an embargo period is expired. Also the reported fix
> will have a huge performance impact.
>
> Also crucial to note is that AMD chips are not affected by this.
>
> How the heck does something like this go unnoticed for so long?
>
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