MC,
 
Whatever happened to good ole' x, y and z???
 
Anywho, I am quite certain of the military origin of "FUBAR" and "SNAFU", but leave it 
to softwarians to expropriate the former term, change the spelling to FOOBAR, then 
divide it into the now legendary FOO and BAR.  Who knows, maybe Grace Hopper  (of USN, 
FORTRAN, and ENIAC fame) first forked FOOBAR into FOO | BAR???
 
Cheers,
Fred Woolsey

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        I think a few of you are slightly off (or perhaps I am about to be).  I
        learned a while back that 'foo' and 'bar' are not just terms in
        programming, but in general science where variables are concerned.
        
        Suppose, for example, you are trying to define this awesome formula for
        perpetual motion, and in your research you have to explain a function to
        your colleagues.  In order to keep the level of confusion low, you would
        use the terms 'foo' and 'bar' to illustrate instances, variables,
        etcetera, and your audience would also understand that you are referring
        to such instances in a hypothetical manner, rather than realistically.
        
        In other words, if you mention 'foo' and 'bar' in a conversation, your
        listener would assume a hypothetical instance of whatever you subject
        may be.
        
        Or something to that effect...
        
        
        Matthew Clark
        Divergent Systems Incorporated
        
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        I'm pretty certain it is one of those brilliant, sarcastic military
        acronymns like SNAFU (situation normal, all f@#$%d up), as alluded to by
        Mikey- however, I believe the correct meaning is f@#$%d up beyond all
        repair.  Witness the following hypothetical exchanges:
        
        "So soldier, what's the sitrep?"
        "SNAFU, sir..."
        
        and
        
        "How bad is it, soldier?"
        "Well sir, I'm afraid it's FUBAR..."
        
        Phonetically, FUBAR was simplified to FOOBAR, which allowed it to be
        parsed into FOO and BAR by standard software :-{)>
        
        Cheers,
        Fred Woolsey
        
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                Hehe!!!
               
                It's one of those classic terms that spans across many languages
        and
                dates back quite a long time. Whenever I pickup a programming
        book,
                somewhere in there, you'll find the infamous foo and bar...
               
                chris kranz
                fatcuban.com
               
               
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                Just my opinion, but I think it comes from the acronym FUBAR -
        f@cked up
                beyond all recognition...
               
                Mikey
               
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                >
                > In many code examples in PHP documention (& others also), I
        have seen
                > authors referring to variables 'foo' & 'bar', but I have yet
        not
                > discovered
                > the origin of these names.  I am sure there must be dozens of
        others
                who
                > have the curiosity to find how the use of these names started.
                >
                > Can anyone quench the curiosities please?
                >
                > regards,
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