Mike, I'm glad you vented. Now let me. I say none of this in anger and quite a lot of it in amusement. Please don't take this the wrong way. (By saying that I'm insuring that you WILL take it the wrong way!) :)
Why is it helpful to give a person the answer to a question that has been answered before? Why is it not more helpful to show them how to find the answer to their question and possibly to the next one...and the net one...and the next one. All of us at one point or another have gotten mad because they've been told to RTFM. (UTFG, UTFW, etc.) But the fact of the matter is if you get told that a couple of time, you may actually start doing it. Jason's search google answer is very appropriate for many questions asked on this list. The people who answer questions here do it of their own free will, for no pay, and in the case of independent consultants, at the expense of their paying work. (Those of you who are employed and posting from work are just slacking!) :) Therefore, it is their right to answer in the way that they feel most helpful. If RTFM is the quickest way to get a newb to start reading the manual instead of asking (yet again) how the mail() function works then that's what will be posted. Telling people like Jason off as you have done feels really good. But at some point Jason will decide that it's no longer worth while to bother to read this list and drop. Then you can tell off someone else who knows what they are talking about because they don't follow your rules of etiquette...and maybe they will leave. At some point, you will find yourself in the list all by yourself. (except for the newb over in the corner still twiddling with the mail() function) It boils down to this. mailing lists have been around longer than you or I have been on the Internet. (Unless you are Vint Cerf and if you are I HUMBLY apologize and bow at your feet!) The rules of mailinglist etiquette (especially for technical lists, which this is) have matured over the years and are not really up for discussion. If you don't like them, go elsewhere, start your own list. Otherwise, play nice. most humbly, =C= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] Netbilling PHP Script > I have to get this off my chest, and I tried to send it directly to Jason > off list, but the email bounces back. Why? Probably because he gets a lot > of these emails. Don't like what I have to say? Tough luck, I am sick of > unconstructive emails hitting the list putting people down. If you cannot > or will not answer someone, just don't answer them at all. Be helpful, not > hurtful. Oops, should take my own advice and not post this at all, but I > need to get it off my chest, I am sure that I am not the only one thinking > it: > > Jason: > > Why do you bother to answer on the php list at all? 90% of the messages > from you are 'search google' if you do not have constructive info to offer, > why bother to answer at all. I am directing this to you because the list > does not need to see my crap about it, but it just makes me sick to see you > over and over putting people down who are just asking for help. > > Really, I have been a member of MANY lists over the years, and I truly have > never seen anyone as negative as you. If you do not have a useful answer to > the question just don't answer- you clutter the list and my inbox. > > And no, 'search google' is not a good answer - at the best of times it is > tough to wade through all the crap that google spits at you, at the worst of > times, most people do not even know what to search for to narrow it down! > Never mind searching the list archive - half the time all I get back is your > emails saying 'search google'! > > Geeze, look what you have made me do, get pissed of and waste my time > flaming you. What a waste of our time. > > > On 5/29/03 5:43 AM, "Jason Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thursday 29 May 2003 17:36, Ralph wrote: > >> I have to setup credit card verification/processing with Netbilling.com, > >> does anybody know of a PHP based Netbilling gateway script or class? > > > > Have you searched google? > > -- > Cheers > > Mike Morton > > **************************************************** > * > * Tel: 905-465-1263 > * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * > **************************************************** > > "Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the > computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with > Apple." > - Byte Magazine > > Given infinite time, 100 monkeys could type out the complete works of > Shakespeare. Win 98 source code? Eight monkeys, five minutes. > -- NullGrey > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
