tx offray Lua is an inspiration from that perspective. Now we play the game because publishing is also a nice way to understand what we are doing and because this is important to play the game else we would be considered as losers.
S. > On 12 Dec 2020, at 19:20, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > <offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Just to add a little bit to Tim's remark, I'm pretty happy that Pharo > academicians, starting with Stéphane, value more making a real difference in > the world, via delivering working and improving software, that talking about > the theoretical possible changes when paper's "conclusions further > possibilities and studies" will be applied, developed and widely understood > (it's also a pretty uncommon path followed by Lua academician's at Rio > University.) > > In a world of mostly self-serving academia trapped in the game of papers > publishing and metrics only valuable inside academia, is good to have > academicians breaking the novelty fetiche spell and preferring _being_ > smarter and empathic with continuous delivery, improvements and broad > community building, instead just _looking_ smarter, via papers publishing and > ego inflation inside the Ivory Tower. > > Thanks again Stephan and other Pharo academicians to show us a glimpse of > what academia could be when priorities are put in proper places. > > Offray > > On 12/12/20 5:05 a. m., Tim Mackinnon wrote: >> Just to chip in here - the work demonstrated on Pharo development is >> inspirational. Rather than throwing everything away, it shows the >> alternative - incrementally improving a running platform - and practicing >> what we preach in industry by refactoring a large elderly code base bit by >> bit - it's remarkable. >> >> While its true we don’t always immediately get things fixed that we might >> personally want, but then again we are relying on the free personal time of >> others. But collectively, the most important things do get fixed/improved, >> and if there is something that really bothers you, then the over arching >> lesson is that you have to roll up your sleaves and try and fix it yourself >> and in showing willingness you normally find that others will help you. >> >> So Steph et al, I am glad that you love this platform (and have for many >> years), but more startlingly - i heard you all talk about a vision of >> improvements back in Lugano many years ago… and gosh we are seeing those >> improvements roll out year after year. Even more - we are slowly getting the >> kind of development/experiment workbench platform that good developers >> should have. Its being invented under our eyes, and that is exciting. >> >> So I hope you dont feel dispondent - I think history viewed over a longer >> period will actually show a more positive picture. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2020, at 9:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> It depends how old. >>> We cannot do magic. >>> In particular, if more people would help fixing simple things in Pharo we >>> would then have the time for more boring and challenging issues. >>> Because in my personal case, I’m not paid to develop and lead Pharo dev. >>> My own carrer and CV do not depend on Pharo and in fact I could publish >>> much more >>> and look much smarter without it. >>> >>> S. >>> >>> >>> >>>> But if it doesn't work on older machines (if that is the case) then that's >>>> still a bug, isn't it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> Stéphane Ducasse >>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / >>> http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>> 40, avenue Halley, >>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>> France -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
