Well the important thing is that conversations like this are happening and we, as a community are thinking in alternative ways to promote Smalltalk, and scale such promotion, being by copying your vision, one country at the time, to by using alternative ways.
I think these are important conversations. Cheers, Offray On 24/11/18 15:10, horrido wrote: > Indeed, Lorenzo Schiavina has expressed interest in modelling a similar > competition in Italy with my competition material! This was the vision I had > three years ago. > > > > Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote >> Yes, as I told that would be a big deviation from the vision, but also a >> way to bridge it with the community. Anyway making a pretty localized >> competition in a Smalltalk variant for a particular population of a >> specific country is also a way to promote Smalltalk and after done it >> will bring lessons on efforts to results ratio and community involvement. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 24/11/18 7:53, horrido wrote: >>> All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any >>> rate, my >>> competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving >>> forward with it. >>> >>> Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find >>> time >>> to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his >>> busy >>> schedule. >>> >>> And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the >>> competition >>> in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James >>> Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the >>> United >>> States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, >>> hint). >>> >>> Ah, the vicissitudes of being a competition organizer... >>> >>> >>> >>> Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. >>>> >>>> Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when reaching >>>> to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach closer to >>>> anthropology instead of marketing). Many of us value your contributions, >>>> despite of approaching them in a critical way. For example, I think that >>>> promotion is important, but popularity is not, and the later is not a >>>> proper measure of the effectivity of the former. As a Latin American >>>> (that means people born and rise Latino America, not Latinos living in >>>> United States) for me is really alien the North American people (that >>>> means people living in the North region of the American continent that >>>> goes from Alaska to Patagonia and beyond) is kind of obsessed with >>>> popularity, competition, winning and losing, at least for what popular >>>> media depicts (even seems that loser is kind of a big insult over >>>> there). I don't think that winning a competition is the best way of >>>> making a younger become part of collaborative open community. Also, in >>>> an interconnected world, I feel more inclined to volunteer my time >>>> helping a young person from the Global South to become part of the >>>> Pharo/Smalltalk community that to volunteer my time for a pretty >>>> localized competence in a particular place of the Global North. >>>> >>>> That being said, I think that little money can help a lot (specially in >>>> the Global South) and I like the idea of making young people interested >>>> in the offerings that Smalltalk has. The average FLOSS project has a >>>> media of one developer [1], so even winning one more after the >>>> competition is a big win. But I would try to volunteer my time in >>>> something that brings the gap between Pharo communities and young people >>>> and between the Global North and the Global South, specifically in my >>>> Pharo powered project, Grafoscopio. >>>> >>>> [1] https://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html >>>> >>>> So I'm glad that you are open to suggestions. Here come mine about how >>>> this could be done, but this may also become something totally different >>>> of your actual proposal, but, hopefully, also more global, interesting, >>>> long lasting and a middle point between your promotional efforts and the >>>> activities of this community. >>>> >>>> # The Smalltalk Global Campfire >>>> >>>> Is an immersive inclusive global experience where new people (regardless >>>> of age, ethnicity or gender) can participate in a Smalltalk powered >>>> project and get mentorship from community members and start a long >>>> lasting relationship with a powerful technology, Smalltalk, and the >>>> friendly communities around it. >>>> >>>> ## How it will work >>>> >>>> Seasoned global Smalltalkers will propose a "tent", which is a set of >>>> related campfire projects (one or many) directed towards newbies, >>>> related with programming and coding, but also connected them with other >>>> activities which recognize that people comes from different backgrounds, >>>> have different interests and that an inclusive tech community is more >>>> than code[2]. The projects will allow newbies to learn coding, but also >>>> to express and connect it with wider concerns (documentation, civic >>>> tech, entrepreneurship, gaming, learning, etc). >>>> >>>> [2] https://morethancode.cc/about/ >>>> >>>> Interested campers will find the different tents where they can join and >>>> the tent leader will prepare a set of (increasingly complex?) activities >>>> for the members of the tent. Campers will work in the activities on a >>>> weekly basis and setup and open source code repository for working >>>> together. >>>> >>>> Coordination language for the Global Campfire will be English for tent >>>> leaders, but campers can use native language for communication between >>>> them and for some activities (local documentation, translations) as we >>>> don't want to impose a unique language to become part of a community and >>>> we recognize active Smalltalkers from around the world that can help >>>> local communities, made them stronger and better connected. >>>> >>>> ## Tent medals >>>> >>>> Becoming part of a open collaborative community is mostly about being >>>> able to help each other and how you and the community create value for >>>> each other. So while this is not a competition, we recognize that small >>>> money can be an important incentive to keep communities dynamic. >>>> >>>> At the end of the Campfire the community will provide with Member Badges >>>> and Tent Medals which recognize the work done by all the participants >>>> and also will give a small money incentive for the tent that made the >>>> best work, so the tent can decide how to spend it better. The evaluation >>>> will be done for each Tent leader, and also two external judges. >>>> >>>> The Tent Medals will be: >>>> >>>> * 1 Gold Medal: XXX Dollars. >>>> * 1 Silver Medal: XYZ Dollars. >>>> * 1 Bronze Medal: ABC Dollars. >>>> >>>> ## Closing >>>> >>>> I really don't know about the details here: How do we assign the prices? >>>> There is any better place that the one referred at [2] to showcase the >>>> important of going beyond code in tech communities? What is the proper >>>> duration for the Campfire? This is just a draft, but I think that this >>>> is something I would like to volunteer for and serves better the need >>>> for new people in our community, and can be also addressed from our >>>> local context and particular projects while connecting more the global >>>> community. >>>> >>>> On 21/11/18 10:23, Ben Coman via Pharo-users wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>> >>> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >
