Yes, as I told that would be a big deviation from the vision, but also a way to bridge it with the community. Anyway making a pretty localized competition in a Smalltalk variant for a particular population of a specific country is also a way to promote Smalltalk and after done it will bring lessons on efforts to results ratio and community involvement.
Cheers, Offray On 24/11/18 7:53, horrido wrote: > All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any rate, my > competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving > forward with it. > > Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find time > to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his busy > schedule. > > And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the competition > in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James > Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the United > States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, hint). > > Ah, the vicissitudes of being a competition organizer... > > > > Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. >> >> Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when reaching >> to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach closer to >> anthropology instead of marketing). Many of us value your contributions, >> despite of approaching them in a critical way. For example, I think that >> promotion is important, but popularity is not, and the later is not a >> proper measure of the effectivity of the former. As a Latin American >> (that means people born and rise Latino America, not Latinos living in >> United States) for me is really alien the North American people (that >> means people living in the North region of the American continent that >> goes from Alaska to Patagonia and beyond) is kind of obsessed with >> popularity, competition, winning and losing, at least for what popular >> media depicts (even seems that loser is kind of a big insult over >> there). I don't think that winning a competition is the best way of >> making a younger become part of collaborative open community. Also, in >> an interconnected world, I feel more inclined to volunteer my time >> helping a young person from the Global South to become part of the >> Pharo/Smalltalk community that to volunteer my time for a pretty >> localized competence in a particular place of the Global North. >> >> That being said, I think that little money can help a lot (specially in >> the Global South) and I like the idea of making young people interested >> in the offerings that Smalltalk has. The average FLOSS project has a >> media of one developer [1], so even winning one more after the >> competition is a big win. But I would try to volunteer my time in >> something that brings the gap between Pharo communities and young people >> and between the Global North and the Global South, specifically in my >> Pharo powered project, Grafoscopio. >> >> [1] https://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html >> >> So I'm glad that you are open to suggestions. Here come mine about how >> this could be done, but this may also become something totally different >> of your actual proposal, but, hopefully, also more global, interesting, >> long lasting and a middle point between your promotional efforts and the >> activities of this community. >> >> # The Smalltalk Global Campfire >> >> Is an immersive inclusive global experience where new people (regardless >> of age, ethnicity or gender) can participate in a Smalltalk powered >> project and get mentorship from community members and start a long >> lasting relationship with a powerful technology, Smalltalk, and the >> friendly communities around it. >> >> ## How it will work >> >> Seasoned global Smalltalkers will propose a "tent", which is a set of >> related campfire projects (one or many) directed towards newbies, >> related with programming and coding, but also connected them with other >> activities which recognize that people comes from different backgrounds, >> have different interests and that an inclusive tech community is more >> than code[2]. The projects will allow newbies to learn coding, but also >> to express and connect it with wider concerns (documentation, civic >> tech, entrepreneurship, gaming, learning, etc). >> >> [2] https://morethancode.cc/about/ >> >> Interested campers will find the different tents where they can join and >> the tent leader will prepare a set of (increasingly complex?) activities >> for the members of the tent. Campers will work in the activities on a >> weekly basis and setup and open source code repository for working >> together. >> >> Coordination language for the Global Campfire will be English for tent >> leaders, but campers can use native language for communication between >> them and for some activities (local documentation, translations) as we >> don't want to impose a unique language to become part of a community and >> we recognize active Smalltalkers from around the world that can help >> local communities, made them stronger and better connected. >> >> ## Tent medals >> >> Becoming part of a open collaborative community is mostly about being >> able to help each other and how you and the community create value for >> each other. So while this is not a competition, we recognize that small >> money can be an important incentive to keep communities dynamic. >> >> At the end of the Campfire the community will provide with Member Badges >> and Tent Medals which recognize the work done by all the participants >> and also will give a small money incentive for the tent that made the >> best work, so the tent can decide how to spend it better. The evaluation >> will be done for each Tent leader, and also two external judges. >> >> The Tent Medals will be: >> >> * 1 Gold Medal: XXX Dollars. >> * 1 Silver Medal: XYZ Dollars. >> * 1 Bronze Medal: ABC Dollars. >> >> ## Closing >> >> I really don't know about the details here: How do we assign the prices? >> There is any better place that the one referred at [2] to showcase the >> important of going beyond code in tech communities? What is the proper >> duration for the Campfire? This is just a draft, but I think that this >> is something I would like to volunteer for and serves better the need >> for new people in our community, and can be also addressed from our >> local context and particular projects while connecting more the global >> community. >> >> On 21/11/18 10:23, Ben Coman via Pharo-users wrote: > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >
