So tell us what is missing because we already have an impressive list
and you read nearly everything.
I do not see what we can do more than that. I mean it seriously (I'm
writing a new book on Learning OOP with Pharo) but this is not what you
are looking for.
Then I do not see why Building the Quinto game or the counter does not
work for you.
Stef
Le 24/10/16 à 00:50, Vitor Medina Cruz a écrit :
*stepharo:*
I am not saying it for me, but to get other people into the Smalltalk
community. My interest in Smalltalk spark the first time I read
the Design Principles Behind Smalltalk, since then I:
1- Read the BlueBook (yes) before I know of Pharo;
2- Read "I Can Read C++ and Java But I Can’t Read Smalltalk";
3- Read a number of Smalltalk resources, tutorials, blogs etc;
4- Did Profstef;
5- Learn a little of Redline Smalltalk;
6- Tried Squeek, didn't like;
7- Find Pharo, like it more than Squeek;
8- Read Pharo By Example almost entirely, the first example didn't
work (at least at the time) because some dependencies were missing,
then I search into the internet, found what was missing and keep going;
9- Did the MOOC ENTIRELY, and I saw all the videos, yes!
So, is there any other thing you think I *maybe* haven't done, despite
the fact that you don't know me much?
As for someone who did the MOOC, I don't think it's a good tutorial in
the lines I understand Richard described in the start of this thread:
for newcomers. Don't get me wrong, it's a very good course if you
would like to get more deep into Pharo and OO, but I understand the
intention of Richard was other. So, except from Porfstef, I think none
of those resources is a good start point for newcomers, because none
of them were good for me nor the people I tried to introduce Pharo. I
just keep going because I was already VERY interested in Smalltalk, if
not for that I would have also given up.
My opinion is only that, an opinion, you can take it or not, it was
not meant to be personal or whatever, but if you wanna take it as so
there isn't much I can do.
*Phil:*
Thanks for your suggestions, but I was just telling Richard that I
think the MOOC was too much for a tutorial, that I think other format
and something simpler would be better for newcomers.
*Dimitri:*
I am already on STEP 4 ;)
I think what is missing is something before all that, something that
spark the "I am interested in Pharo", the STEP 0. What does that
today? I think a simple tutorial that catch the attention of people
would do that. Right now I think it is too hard for someone to get
interested in Smalltalk in general, and Pharo in particular, because
something like that is missing, and one must really understand and see
the value of Smalltalk to persist and keep going and learning, like
happened to me.
Regards,
Vitor
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis
<kilon.al...@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The four stages of Pharo addiction
STEP1
"I am interested in Pharo , any quick tutorial to get me started ?"
If you want a quick dive to Pharo for experienced coders there is
this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/PharoTour/PharoTour.html
<https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/PharoTour/PharoTour.html>
STEP2
"Ah I really like Pharo maybe more info about the language and a
practical example to give it a go myself ?"
for a bit more dive into the Smalltalk language there is this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/FirstApplication/FirstApplication.html
<https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/FirstApplication/FirstApplication.html>
STEP3
"Damn this is really cool , where I can find more info I really
like to give this a deeper look!"
and of course the rest of the book for those that cant get enough
of Pharo
https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample
<https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample>
STEP4
"I hate you so much !!! I cant sleep, cant eat, no friends, ex
girlfriend.... AHHH CANNNOT STOP !!!! TOO MUCH FUN!!!"
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM Vitor Medina Cruz
<vitormc...@gmail.com <mailto:vitormc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think the MOOC is too much for a tutorial. What I miss today
is a good written (no videos! Please!) tutorial that teaches
just a little of the language and give a few guidelines on how
to do simple stuff with the environment, such as a "Hello
World!", creating a class, tests and run stuff.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:15 PM, horrido
<horrido.hobb...@gmail.com <mailto:horrido.hobb...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Excellent suggestion! I shall look into it. Thanks.
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