> On 19 Oct 2016, at 22:55, Dale Henrichs <dale.henri...@gemtalksystems.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Michal,
> 
> This sounds quite exciting ... I was wondering how you were getting on with 
> Tugrik+Mongo+Voyage and now I know :)
> 
> I would be very interested in helping you in any way that I can, just let me 
> know.
> 

yes, me too :)

Esteban

> Dale
> 
> On 10/19/2016 01:01 PM, Michal Balda wrote:
>> Hi,
>> the short answer is: not yet.
>> 
>> The back story is: We have been experimenting with GemStone and Tugrik at 
>> work. While Tugrik appears to work very well (even though it is new and not 
>> yet finished), I found the overall architecture (Tugrik+Mongo+Voyage) a bit 
>> complicated. Tugrik is meant to be a replacement for Voyage-Mongo but 
>> actually uses parts of its implementation and behavior. I understand that it 
>> does so to mimic Voyage-Mongo so that switching from Mongo to GemStone is 
>> relatively painless. That does not fit our use case though - we don't need a 
>> replacement for Mongo since we haven't used it in the first place. We would 
>> also like to have something that we could possibly maintain ourselves, 
>> should the priorities of Esteban or Dale change in a few years (I don't want 
>> this to sound negative, I am sure they would not drop the support just 
>> because they want to, but I understand they are very busy and for us it is a 
>> certain risk we would like to mitigate).
>> 
>> While playing with Tugrik I came up with a few ideas so I started a clean 
>> Pharo image with the following task in mind: find a way of getting objects 
>> from Pharo to GemStone and back, as simply as possible, without any 
>> unnecessary dependencies. In other words, I wanted to see if I could create 
>> a simpler Pharo-to-GemStone persistence solution than the existing 
>> Tugrik+Mongo+Voyage stack. As of now it's still in an early phase but I 
>> already have something that could work. For the meetup in Zürich I want to 
>> have something to show (a small demo), or, if I run into any conceptual 
>> issues, to have a topic for discussion if anyone's interested.
>> 
>> I won't release it publicly until I am sure it works well. But I can 
>> guarantee you that if anything exciting does emerge, this mailing list will 
>> learn about it. It will definitely not be exclusive for the people who 
>> attend the meetup. I just want to use the opportunity of the meetup to get 
>> early feedback and/or input, maybe it will trigger a discussion about 
>> important issues that I haven't thought about yet. I am not at all a 
>> GemStone expert so the possibility is there.
>> 
>> 
>> Michal
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 18.10.2016 14:38, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would love to be in Zurich, but I obviously can't :(
>>> So... is there a way to get some more info about that "Gemstone-based 
>>> persistence framework for Pharo"? And who is Michal? Last name?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com <http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/>
>> 
> 

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