Thank you for the kind words, Stephane. Here is my vision.
1) Commercial uptake, with an ongoing upwards growth trend 2) Thriving community of developers, with an ongoing upwards trend. 3) A platform with sufficient stability for commercial use, to provide 1) 4) A platform with sufficient stability for adequate documentation (i.e. documentation which correctly describes the system) - that leads to sufficient levels of interest to provide 1) and 2). (Documention requires refactoring, maintenance and expansion, just as the code-base segment of the system does. This means it requires time and attention. Which is easier if the community is thriving and growing). The important point of any vision is that it is realised. That requires sufficient people and activity, which is why I think the two visions are both important to one another. However, it is a chicken-and-egg problem. Chicken-and-egg problems are hard. (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000054.html) The same issue has come up within the erlang community. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MvKLOecT1I ) I won't address the questions posed - except to say I don't think they are as rhetorical as people might think. Cheers, EuanM On 14 November 2015 at 07:40, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: > Thanks this is nice effort. > > Now some remarks: > - Do you think that great speakers like doru would be invited to prime > time conference to talk about a language that is from 1980? > - You talk about momentum and shared space. Do you think that it is wise > to talk about a Smalltalk whose forum has 5 posts in a year? > - We have to create the momentum and we should not look back (it does > not mean that we should not know our culture and history) and > invent for real the future. > > Now do not get me wrong: I do pharo and the battle is not against squeak, > cuis or... it is against Javascript, Ruby, Lua, Python. > So decide were you put your energy. I chose for mine. > > This is my last post on this thread. People not happy with my points can be > not happy but I'm right and I will not deviate one inch > :). > > Stef > > PS: working on a teaser about Pharo and its vision > > PSPS: > my vision > > ultimate live environment > great reflective system > well integrated with C > well integrated with OSes > wonderful IDE > > > > Le 14/11/15 06:02, EuanM a écrit : > >> I've created Yet Another Smalltalk First >> Steps tutorial. >> >> This is intended as one of a series. >> >> It is designed to be cross-platform across >> >> Squeak 5 >> Pharo 4 >> Seaside 3.1 >> Cuis >> Dolphin 6 >> >> If you have experience running any of these systems on Windows, Linux >> or MacOS, please check to see if I have the instructions correct for >> your chosen pairing of Smalltalk and OS platform. >> >> (As you'll see when you look, I do not have detailed instructions for >> aspects of MacOS). >> >> The document is at: >> >> http://smalltalkinsmallsteps.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/get-smalltalk-up-and-running.html >> >> (It's intended to move to a different blog after this review process). >> >> I feel the need to do this as cross-Smalltalks tutorial because of >> findings and 4 charts I've placed at: >> >> http://smalltalkinsmallsteps.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/mindshare-of-smalltalk-in-development.html >> >> Essentially, Smalltalk mindshare and use is incredibly tiny, compared >> to other languages in the same space. (We all know this, but seeing >> it represented graphically has a more visceral effect, IMO) >> >> Aggregating interest in all the Smalltalks still does not bring more >> than a tiny proportion of the interest in, and use of, Ruby. >> >> In turn, Ruby is (quite understandably) small in comparison to JavaScript. >> >> Comparing interest in any specific Smalltalk is, predictably, smaller >> than the aggregate interest in Smalltalk. >> >> Our community seems determined to split itself into smaller and >> smaller sub-communities. I think we do ourselves a disservice this >> way. >> >> My initial contribution will be to try to provide some explicitly >> pan-Smalltalk beginners' tutorials, like this one. >> >> Cheers, and happy Smalltalking, >> EuanM >> >> > >
