Hi Wilfred and welcome,
I have been lurking at the Smalltalk/Squeak community like from ten
years when I used Etoys, Bots Inc and Scratch to teach newbies an
introductory course on "informatics" (which has a part related with
programming) and after a while I got here at the Pharo community, where
I lurked here for a while but now, because of my PhD research, which is
related with mutual modification between communities and digital
artifacts, I try to explore Pharo as a medium for exploring some ideas
about that and I think it can't be done without a first hands on
experience on the environment and the actual code writing, so I'm trying
to become a more active participant, but I'm still a newbie. Anyway,
from newbie to newbie, welcome again.
About the dynabook and its vision I would recommend "Tracing the
Dynabook: A Study of Technocultural Transformations" by John W Maxwell
at [1]. In fact, on this book Maxwell claims that Smalltalk didn't loose
(in popularity and defining the common computer experience) against
another programming languages, it lost against the Operative System
paradigm, and its idea of having different small tools connected mainly
by pipes and files, mainly non-interactive, mainly binary and without
any unifying conceptual framework beyond files and pipes. I think he's
right.
[1] http://tkbr.ccsp.sfu.ca/dynabook/
Besides SqueakNOS you can see some ideas inspired in Smalltak and the
Dynabook vision in the EtoileOS[2]. The authors are not trying to repeat
the OS paradigm, but trying to rethink it from a Smalltalk perspective,
with practical considerations about bridging what we have now in C [3]
and the apps world [4] with what can be done/thought from a Dynabook
inspired vision.
[2] http://etoileos.com/
[3] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2012/08/19/1308/
[4] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2012/04/30/1825/
Regarding myself and my own approach to make this ideas viable in my
current context, specifically on what is concerned with creation of rich
documentation and something like a modest "Dynabooklet", I'm trying to
get the writing experience of Leo[5], which is an outliner that has the
property of making it's own tree structure available to make it
scriptable in Python (any node of the tree can contain python code which
can traverse and process the tree in particular ways) to something
similar in Smalltalk, with the advantage of an integrated and explorable
inmersive dynamic environment. My idea is to make and environment where
I can write my own PhD thesis[7] (at this moment I'm writing it with Leo
+ LaTeX with advances like this [8]), but also to teach some Data
Narratives[9] and Indie Web[10][11]. I'm trying to combine Python and
Smalltalk in modest ways or at least to create some cross-pollination of
ideas.
[5] http://leoeditor.com/
[6] http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Offray/Ubakye/
[7]
http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/la-forma-en-que-escribo-para-el-doctorado.html
[8]
http://mutabit.com/deltas/repos.fossil/doctorado-offray/doc/tip/Tesis/ExamenCandidatura/Escrito2/luna-offray-ecologia-de-saberes-en-diseno.pdf
[9]
http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/borrachos-bochinche-futbol.html
[10]
http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/indie-science-indie-web-opengarage-science.html
[11] http://indiewebcamp.com/
So, I think Pharo can bootstrap the dynabook vision of and environment
for your computer needs and make it viable in different ways, even for a
single person or a small community if this is connected with the rest of
the environment and experiences on what we have now. My examples are
just humble approaches on my attempts to do that, but I hope that this
can show you a lot of interesting stuff that can be done as a novice or
as an expert with the help of the community and the persons here.
Cheers,
Offray
On 08/25/2014 06:33 PM, Wilfred Hughes wrote:
Sounds like the Dynabook goal rather overlaps with that of Lisp Machines. The
idea of a single system that allows you to modify any part at runtime, inspect
any part, or drop into a debugger anywhere is extremely powerful and wonderful
to work with.
Emacs gets quite close to this, but... it's Emacs lisp. I've used worse
languages, but elisp was not intended to be a general purpose application
programming language. Smalltalk is, which is why Pharo excites me.
Once you start 'living' in a single environment, you customise it to meet your
needs and can contribute the reusable parts to the wider community. This
produces a virtuous circle of the tools getting better. A package manager that
makes it easy to distribute your work is crucial in this.
Sounds like the first step for me is to start using the Pharo file browser and
command shell and to see how it fits my workflow :)
On 25 August 2014 15:15, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com
<mailto:krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
" The Dynabook SW architecture must be open so that owners can safely
install functionality ('apps') that is available in a marketplace. (The
i-pad with its hardware and its marketplace for apps is at the back of my
mind.)"
Can the intent be expanded a bit more. Is this an intent to have a Pharo /
ST / Dynabook based marketplace or more extensive ?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Trygve Reenskaug <tryg...@ifi.uio.no
<mailto:tryg...@ifi.uio.no>> wrote:
I don't think the current Smalltalk architecture can meet all your
computing needs because security isn't part of its core and because it
is inconceivable that all the necessary programs can be developed
within
its boundaries.
Like several people I met at ESUG, my goal is the Dynabook and the
Dynabook shall, by definition, meet all your needs. A Dynabook must be
safe so that its owner is protected from hackers and other evildoers.
The Dynabook SW architecture must be open so that owners can safely
install functionality ('apps') that is available in a marketplace.
(The
i-pad with its hardware and its marketplace for apps is at the back of
my mind.)
I can only see one path from here to there. Start from e.g., Pharo and
simplify it to create a Dynabook architecture with owner programming
and
with opening for safely adding functionality safely ad lib. (I suppose
this is an ST based OS?)
Any takers?
--Trygve
On 23.08.2014 17:04, Wilfred Hughes wrote:
Hi folks
I've been playing with Pharo recently, and really enjoying writing
some programs in the Pharo environment.
As a result, I've been wondering if I can use Pharo the way I would
use Emacs, as an environment for doing everything.
For example, can I use Pharo to:
* Send emails to this mailing list?
* Use IRC?
* Start Bash?
* Read the Pharo documentation (e.g. Pharo By Example)?
If these things do exist, how do I discover them? Is there a package
manager I can use to find new tools I can use in Pharo?
