Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants

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Bahman Movaqar wrote: On 2013-06-01 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Hi guys I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association. I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. So what do you think? I would use the association in a much clearer way. I'd like to mention a few facts: 1. I used to think Smalltalk is dead. 2. I used to think Smalltalk, even if not dead, is only being used in universities. 3. I used to think Smalltalk world is far behind the modern web aspects/framework/technologies. It's been less than a week that I started to give Smalltalk (Pharo) a try -and to be honest I chose to do so just to see what is Seaside. And to my utmost surprise all of the above assumptions turned out to be moronic per-assumptions (though hugely popular). I come from the Java world which I'd say is the richest and most evolving ecosystem for web development. But I was shocked by design, quality, simplicity, cleanness and feature-set of Seaside. And if you ask me nothing matches it even in the wide range of Java web frameworks. I believe, Seaside is a sample of what Smalltalk world has to offer (correct me if I'm wrong) and it's a real pitty that frustrated developers/companies using Java or .NET don't know about such a thing. PS: I have some general suggestions but, honestly, I thought I'd hold them as I'm not a pro Smalltalk'er :-) Thanks for your comments Bahman.  The opinions and suggestions of newcomers are hugely important, since that is the market we need to sell into.  While your ideas might not align completely with the direction Pharo wants to take, by the time your are a Pro-Smalltalk'er you might forget your perspective today.  So it is good to share, and this is the forum for it. What was it that first caught your attention about Seaside? cheers -ben