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   >-----Original Message-----
   >From: Achilleas Mantzios <ach...@matrix.gatewaynet.com> 
   >Sent: Freitag, 10. Dezember 2021 11:36
   >To: pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org
   >Subject: Re: What is the best way to redefine a trigger? (lock issue)
   >
   >On 10/12/21 12:20 μ.μ., Marc Mamin wrote:
   >>
   >>     >> Hello,
   >>     >> I have deployment/migration scripts that require to be idempotent.
   >>     >>
   >>     >> When (re)defining or deleting triggers,  I've lately observed 
locked statements that seemed never to release (waited for a few hours).
   >>     >> affected version: PG 10 (and probably PG 12 ?)
   >>     >>
   >>     >> My case is similar to that old description and I wonder if the 
recommendation to first change the trigger function to a no-op function still 
make sense.
   >>     >>
   >>     >> 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24738354/how-to-drop-a-trigger-in-a-resilient-manner-in-postgresql.
   >>     >>
   >>     >>
   >>     >> In the first observed case, with a test db, I did kill all  
existing connections to the db and tried to drop the trigger with a fresh new 
connection.
   >>     >> This again resulted in a long lasting lock and I gave up, tipping 
on a db corruption.
   >>     >>
   >>     >> What does happen in the background, that can make a trigger 
deletion fail?
   >>     >A DROP TRIGGER will try to acquire an AccessExclusiveLock on the 
table, which conflicts with any table level lock (e.g a select acquires an 
access share lock, so it would cause the DROP TRIGGER to wait.
   >>     >
   >>     >Unfortunately I don't see this in the official docs: 
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/11/explicit-locking.html .
   >>     >
   >>     >> Are there situation where row level locks instead of table level 
locks are acquired?
   >>     >> Coul background processeslike vacuumplay a role here?
   >>     >>
   >>     >> As I've observed this problem only a very few times, I guess it is 
not easily reproducable.
   >>   
   >>     >It is very easily reproducible. begin; select .. in one session, 
begin; drop trigger in a second session.
   >>
   >> You can see in the attachment, that the lock exists without any other 
apparent conflicting  session.
   >It takes two or more to tango. Next time it happens query the pg_locks 
view, it contains info about locks on objects.
   >The holding lock is shown as granted, the waiting lock as not granted.
   
Yes, It looks for me like a situation which should not be possible at all.
I'll try to get more informations if the problem pop up again.
Thanks.
   
   >>     >Do you need to drop/create the trigger or a CREATE OR REPLACE 
function would suffice?
   >>
   >> There are different use cases. Sometimes I only need to drop a trigger or 
modify its definition (not the function)
   >Are you using pgbouncer or some other means of suspending traffic into the 
DB?

No. In my tries to repare the situation, there were no other clients but psql 
and DBaever.

   >>     >>
   >>     >> attached is an picture of pg_stat_activity during such a lock,
   >>     >>
   >>     >> thanks,
   >>     >> Marc Mamin
   >>     >>
   >>     >> here an example of a such a deployment/migration script, all of 
these scripts are applied  sequentially in separate transactions:
   >>     >> =======================================
   >>     >> SET client_min_messages=error;
   >>     >>
   >>     >> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION block_item_cancel()
   >>     >>    RETURNS TRIGGER AS
   >>     >> $BODY$
   >>     >> DECLARE
   >>     >>    blockedItemLevel int;
   >>     >>    client int;
   >>     >>
   >>     >> BEGIN
   >>     >>    WITH RECURSIVE rec as
   >>     >>    (
   >>     >>                            SELECT s.id as clientref, 
s."parentRef", a."fruitRef"
   >>     >>                            FROM "ClientDO" s LEFT JOIN 
"Fruit2ClientDO" a ON (s.id=a."clientRef" and a."fruitRef" = NEW."fruitRef")
   >>     >>                            WHERE s.id = (select "clientRef" from 
"SeenDO" where "id" = NEW."SeenRef")
   >>     >>    UNION ALL
   >>     >>                            SELECT s2.id as clientref, 
s2."parentRef", a2."fruitRef"
   >>     >>                            FROM rec
   >>     >>                            JOIN "ClientDO" s2 on 
(s2.id=rec."parentRef")
   >>     >>                            LEFT JOIN LATERAL (select"fruitRef" 
from "Fruit2ClientDO" ax WHERE rec."parentRef"=ax."clientRef" and ax."fruitRef" 
= NEW."fruitRef")  a2
   >>     >>                               ON TRUE
   >>     >>                            WHERE rec."parentRef" IS NOT NULL
   >>     >>                            --Only first matching client should be 
used
   >>     >>                            AND rec."fruitRef" IS NULL
   >>     >>    )
   >>     >>    SELECT clientref
   >>     >>    FROM rec
   >>     >>    WHERE "fruitRef" is not null
   >>     >>    INTO client;
   >>     >>
   >>     >>    blockedItemLevel = (NEW."quantitySeened" - 
NEW."quantityCanceled");
   >>     >>    IF blockedItemLevel > 0 THEN
   >>     >>
   >>     >>            UPDATE "BlockedItemAO" SET
   >>     >>                            "blockedItem" = blockedItemLevel,
   >>     >>                            "modificationDate" = now()
   >>     >>            WHERE "SeenPosRef" = NEW."id";
   >>     >>    ELSE
   >>     >>            DELETE FROM "BlockedItemAO" WHERE "SeenPosRef" = 
NEW."id";
   >>     >>    END IF;
   >>     >>    RETURN NEW;
   >>     >> END;
   >>     >> $BODY$
   >>     >>    LANGUAGE plpgsql
   >>     >>    COST 100;
   >>     >>
   >>     >>
   >>     >> DROP TRIGGER IF EXISTS block_item_cancel ON "SeenPosDO";
   >>     >>
   >>     >> CREATE TRIGGER block_item_cancel
   >>     >>    AFTER UPDATE OF "quantityCanceled"
   >>     >>    ON "SeenPosDO"
   >>     >>    FOR EACH ROW
   >>     >>    WHEN ( NEW."providerRef" <> 1
   >>     >>           AND
   >>     >>             (
   >>     >>                NEW."quantityCanceled" IS DISTINCT FROM 
OLD."quantityCanceled"
   >>     >>             )
   >>     >>         )
   >>     >>    EXECUTE PROCEDURE block_item_cancel();
   >>     >>
   >>     >>
   >>     >
   >>     >
   >>     >--
   >>     >Achilleas Mantzios
   >>     >DBA, Analyst, IT Lead
   >>     >IT DEPT
   >>     >Dynacom Tankers Mgmt
   >>     >
   >>     >
   >>     >
   >>     >
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   >
   >-- 
   >Achilleas Mantzios
   >DBA, Analyst, IT Lead
   >IT DEPT
   >Dynacom Tankers Mgmt
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