"Ed Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I tried to contribute on this list but it seems we've coalesced downto Tom
> and a handful of others. No one else has a voice.
Hmm... not my experience. But then I've only seen your message here
because of Simon's response to it, my spamfilter sees your stuff as
coming from a forged hotmail address, which makes it kind of tricky
for me at least to respond to your ideas 'cos I don't check my
spamhole that often. (Though I'm going to have to do that if I want to
see your reply to this...)
> I have nothing but respect for Tom, Nathan, et al, but its no longer my idea
> of a community - more like a faction. I'm getting more into PHP now and
> less into Perl, only because PHP evolution seems to be acccelerated by
> novelty, and not mired into a few people's ideas. The politics of Perl are:
>
> A Suggestion...
>
> Did Tom or Larry or Uri or someone we all know make it?
>
> Yes? Unfold into myriad threads about the wonder of the idea..
>
> No? Don't respond to it, its unworthy..
Hmm. I can't speak for anyone else, but my modus operandi has been:
Is it an RFC?
Do the title/abstract look like something I'm interested in?
If yes, read through and comment if there's anything particularly good
or particularly boneheaded in it. If it just looks okay then there's
no need to comment.
After that keep checking the threads on RFCs I'm interested in and
keep my eyes open for any particularly active threads attached to RFCs
I haven't looked at and maybe have a look at the root RFC to see if
it's really something I'm interested in.
Yes, comments from the likes of Damian, Larry et al tend to make me
sit up and take more notice, but that's because what they say has been
good in the past, I'm only human after all.
And yes, I sometimes miss RFCs that I should have commented on earlier
(see my comments to the recently frozen one about $#)
As for my own RFCs, I don't think of myself as a perl 'name'; I've
only really become active on the perl6 lists (it's been ages since I
posted to clpm or p5p for instance) but I've seen healthy discussion
of the ones I've put forward (and looking back in the archive I see a
fair bit of discussion of the println thing you suggested for instance.
> Nothing but respect for all of you here, and particularly those who I met in
> Monterray this year at Open Source. I just want to move into an arena of
> ideas, and not politics. I'll still use Perl but only as my secondary
> scripting now. PHP is my future because the little guy still has a voice.
> Sorry to make that statement as I committed so much time and effort to Perl
> and it's community, but I think, in the end, its only a place where genius
> has a voice. Sometimes good ideas come out of the masses and litle guys like
> me. I was good enough to complete 2 graduate programs at State universities
> in Comp Sci, and I suppose I ought to be good enough to be heard by a
> programming community. PHP listens, Perl talks.
Maybe the PHP folks have less vigorous spam filters.
--
Piers
