> From: Tim Bunce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:29:54AM -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote:
> > Here's my latest proposal. Feedback welcome.
> >
> > I propose to install TWiki (http://www.twiki.org/) on Feather.
> This is
> > a GPL'd Perl-based industrial-strength wiki. This would serve as
> the
> > general Perl 6 wiki, aka Perl++.
> 
> I believe some would disagree with 'industrial-strength'. I'd
> recommend
> reading http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/alanbur?entry=twiki_rant

Thanks much for the pointer. Informative rant. Point well-taken. 

I should have included the qualifying phrase "user-side feature set"
with "industrial-strength". Know of a better Perl-based alternative?

Here are major lists of alternatives that I know of:

* (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines)
* (http://www.wikimatrix.org/)
* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software)

After going back over the lists, the only other Perl-based wiki that
seems notably interesting and promising (IMHO) is Wifty:
(http://jifty.org/view/HomePage). Wifty is new and a bit bare-bones.
It's at the other end of the (presently user-visible) feature-scale
from TWiki. However, it's based on a very intriguing Perl web
framework. It would provide much more of a (presumably) clean slate
and a (presumably) substantially more powerful platform to build on
than TWiki.

There are also some additional mitigating factors to consider with
respect to TWiki:

(0) Granting the author's criticisms (in the originally-mentioned
TWiki rant above), there are still some moderately substantial
industrial users of TWiki:
(http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/TWikiInstallation), even if you
only consider entries made/updated in the last couple of years or so. 

(1) Despite the initial problems with TWiki, the author apparently
continued using it internally in Sun for quite some time, including up
to the present, AFAIK.

(2) The author has provided information about how to deal with some
major TWiki problems in the above and previous blog posts. 

(3) We wouldn't be upgrading TWiki (well, not from twiki.org, that
is), which was the proximate cause of the author's rant.

(4) In the nearly 3 months since the above rant, neither the author
nor other commenters indicated a better Perl-based alternative
(especially with support for plug-ins). The author is leaning towards
a Java-based alternative.

(5) Most of the poor coding practices {could, should, would} be
cleaned up in the incremental process of Perl 6 conversion. 

So, what are you're (all the readers') thoughts about Wifty versus
TWiki (or some other existing Perl-based alternative)?

Best regards,
Conrad Schneiker

http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6_Users_FAQ (Moved from AthenaLab to Perl
6 Wiki.)

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