I too use a ten year old Epson 2880. It’s my third Epson photo stylus printer 
and I wouldn’t consider anytime else. It turns out beautiful prints in BW or 
color, and when it dies I’ll replace it with the current equivalent or the top 
17-inch model. My workflow and calibrated monitor turn out perfect prints on 
the first try. A 13 x19 borderless print on Epson Premium Luster paper costs me 
less than $3, and I sell quite a few for $25 each.

Paul

> On Jun 30, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Paul Sorenson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I'll tack on to what PJ and Igor have mentioned.  I've been using an Epson 
> R2000 since shortly after it was introduced in 2011 and as long as it keeps 
> working I'm happy with its output.  I seldom use OEM paper, having settled 
> with Red River Paper as my paper of choice.  That said, I'll include some 
> links below to reviews and printing cost tests that Red River has done.
> 
> The Epson P400 is essentially a new version of the R2000.  Matte black and 
> Photo black automatically switch according to paper type without any purging 
> of ink.  The P600 and P800 use a different inkset than the P400 and while 
> they have all the black cartridges onboard they still go through a purge 
> cycle when switching from Matte black to Photo black and back again.  Red 
> River has done some testing to get a feel for the amount of ink wasted during 
> the purge cycles.
> 
> Here is a link to the reviews Red River has done on both Epson and Canon 
> printers...
> 
> https://www.redrivercatalog.com/infocenter/articles/
> 
> And one to their reports on ink useage...
> 
> https://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing.html
> 
> Hope this helps some.
> 
> -p
> 
>> On 6/30/2019 11:29 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> Larry,
>> 
>> I agree with what P.J. has written in his response.
>> 
>> I have a couple thoughts to add to that.
>> I've been using Epson R2880 for some 10 years.
>> I am completely satisfied with the quality of the prints, but I am not very 
>> happy with two factors:
>> 1. The ink cartridges are very small, only 11.4 ml, and considerable amount 
>> of that ink is consumed when you do "head cleaning" (through the internal 
>> [comes with the printer driver] software utility), after you haven't used 
>> the printer for a while. Also it purges ink every time you power it up.
>> Also, when you replace one ink, I believe, all inks are re-initiated, which 
>> also wastes some ink.
>> 
>> That sometimes forces me to replace a cartridge that is not completely empty 
>> yet, when I am replacing an empty one, because otherwise, the almost-empty 
>> one will become empty shortly (or immediately) after the re-initialization, 
>> and then more ink would be wasted in 2 re-initialization procedures.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. Photo black and matte black cannot be installed at the same time.
>> If you switch them, _all_ the inks are re-initialized/purged.
>> 
>> The subsequent models have taken care of #2, but I am not sure if they made 
>> any part related to #1 more efficient.
>> 
>> I don't know how other brand printers deal with the issue in #1, but I know 
>> that Canon imagePROGRAF (a step-up line of wider printers, 17" and up) 
>> initializes only the cartridge that you replaced.
>> 
>> So, I would consider how the printer you are going to buy deals with
>> various re-initialization and power-up procedures.
>> (It is actually rather hard to find that information, short of trying the 
>> printer... )
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But what I like is the UltraChrome die ink that Epson uses in this line of 
>> printers.
>> 
>> The current models, I believe are Epson SureColor P400 and P600,
>> and their current price after MIR is $379 and $493 at B&H.
>> The ink cartridge is slightly larger: 14 ml and 26 ml, respectively,
>> with the prices about $18 per cartridge (or lower for some colors)
>> for P400, and $31-32 for P600. (B&H offers a bundle where you save a few $ 
>> for a complete set).
>> 
>> 
>> PS. I just found this page from ConsumerReports:
>> https://www.consumerreports.org/printers/the-high-cost-of-wasted-printer-ink/
>>  
>> where they calculate the ink price per gallon (~$6400) and compare that
>> to the price of other frequently purchase liquids, such as gas, milk
>> and expensive Champagne. ;-)
>> Both gas and milk are about 2000 times less expensive than printer ink. It's 
>> shocking to think about it that way, isn't it?
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck, and let us know what you will find in the end!
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Larry Colen Sat, 29 Jun 2019 18:16:18 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> Last fall I picked up a Pixma ix6820 primarily because I got a really good 
>> deal on it. I've since bought ink and am somewhat less enamored. I've mostly 
>> been using it to print out floor plans for my boss and might have the option 
>> of selling it to him and picking up something that suits my needs a bit 
>> better.
>> 
>> 
>> Ideal specs would be:
>> able to print at least 12" wide
>> photo quality
>> reasonably inexpensive to purchase and to feed
>> reasonably good quality/longevity
>> 
>> 
>> 1) Are there any specific printers that you would recommend buying or 
>> avoiding?
>> 
>> 
>> 2) Are there any details in particular that I should try to look for?
>> 
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> 
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> 
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