Paul via phone
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:50 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't agonize but I am concerned. And my concern is that the blatant > sexualization of women in the media is degrading to them. > > If you don't see it by now you never will. > > Btw what you're doing is called the appeal to authority and it's a logical > fallacy. > > Who says that? Please cite authors and studies. If you're going to pull > "studies" out of your hat I'll call you on it. > > Who says we're hard wired that way? And how do they know it? And just because > we're hard wired (which I don't buy) how does that make it right? Right and wrong are largely a matter of what nature dictates. We instinctively know that violence is immoral. The consequences support that. But in matters sexual, nature's way seems best. > > Finally, nature doesn't "dictate" anything. It just is. In any event this > isn't a natural problem, it's a human problem. It has to do with how we > humans treat each other. It's an ethical issue. I find desire and sexuality to be positive instincts. > > But, as with so many discussions that we have Paul, we've reached a > stalemate. I don't think either of us will change the mind of the other. > > :-) > > Cheers, > frank > > Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 10:35 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I know I said I was done with this thread. Apparently I lied. ;-) >>> >>> But I had to jump in to completely disagree with your assertion wrt >> the underlying premise. >>> >>> To my mind the premise is that there is a huge disparity in the way >> that women and men are portrayed in the media including the arts. Women >> tend to be sexualized far more than men and often in denigrating and >> offensive ways. That includes but doesn't have to mean nudity. >>> >>> People can point to exceptions but that doesn't change the fact that >> women are sexualized far more often and in different ways than men. >>> >>> This doesn't mean that sex is dirty or wrong or that it doesn't make >> the world go 'round. >>> >>> A bit of balance would be nice, that's all... >> >> But those who study human sexuality contend that while men take >> considerable pleasure in female nudity, most women are not deeply >> aroused by the male body. Seems to be the way we're wired. Why agonize >> over it? Nature doesn't dictate balance in all things. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> frank, back to spectating - for now >>> >>> >>> Walt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I think the underlying premise -- that to portray a human as a >> sexual >>>> being is to inherently denigrate other aspects of their humanity -- >> is >>>> a >>>> false one. >>>> >>>> All of this calls to mind a recent discovery for me: a woman named >>>> Susan >>>> Oliver. I just happened to see her in an episode of the Andy >> Griffith >>>> Show that was on the TV at the bar where I worked and was struck by >>>> just >>>> how beautiful a woman she was, and as it turned out, a woman at the >> bar >>>> >>>> happened to know her name. >>>> >>>> So, I started doing a little reading up on her on the internet, and >> as >>>> it turned out, she was an absolutely fascinating person. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Oliver >>>> >>>> Now, to be sure, my initial impression of her was that she was just >>>> drop-dead gorgeous -- which is an observation I wouldn't likely make >> of >>>> >>>> a male, no matter how handsome he might be. My interest just isn't >>>> captured by attractive men. So, the very fact that I noticed Susan >>>> Oliver at all could be laid at the feet of sexual objectification, >> or >>>> sexism, whatever you want to call it. >>>> >>>> But, as I started to learn more about her and her accomplishments, I >> >>>> developed a more wide-ranging kind of admiration for her. The fact >> that >>>> >>>> my initial interest in her was sparked by sexual attraction didn't >> in >>>> any way detract from my appreciation of her as an accomplished woman >>>> any >>>> more than learning more about her considerable achievements >> minimized >>>> my >>>> appreciation of her as a smokin' hot sex kitten. >>>> >>>> It > > “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
