On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Bruce Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> As the named precipitator of this thread I better weigh in before the > puns start in earnest. :-) > > First I must say I'm _quite_ relieved that your issue is of a general > nature rather than being something I'm specifically doing. I was > beginning to fear I was offending you with frequent depictions of > undraped windows. > > Then let me say Frank that I think the PDML sample size is simply too > small to be representative of the world in general. If there were many > more PESO contributors here I think a male nude might have been posted > by now. As it is, I may eventually have the honour of granting your > wish as I work my way through the local model list and my personal > projects. I am a big fan of Mapplethorpe and his figure studies (his > lighting and b&w toning is meticulous and exquisite) and I want to > improve in that direction. When I get a chance to shoot a buff, > body-building male I will go for it. > > If you were to look just at the Flickr world (I know you're not a fan, > but it's an example) you would find a lot of male nudes. They are > numerous and varied. But Flickr is a huge community compared to the > PDML. It just happens that nobody here is interested in shooting male > nudes. > > My own preferences are to shoot women. I understand much better what > makes interesting-to-me shots of a woman (clothed or un) whereas I > have very little clue what would make an interesting-to-me male shot. > I honestly just haven't given it much thought. I will one day, but up > to now: no interest. So sue me. > > I could be wrong, but I think I'm also in good company that way. And I > think it boils down to sexual attraction mechanisms in typical humans. > Unlike other species, among humans the females expend huge amounts of > energy and time making themselves visually attractive to males. Males > spend very little time in comparison reciprocating. And > unsurprisingly, male humans are hardwired to be sexually stimulated by > images, especially images of females. The reverse doesn't apply: there > are plenty of studies that show that women are not turned on by > viewing male erotica to the same extent as men are by female erotica. > In fact, penises are considered by most people of both sexes to be > amusing, funny looking and/or simply ugly. But women's bodies are > universally admired by both sexes. > > Look around you: at least two dozen beauty, hair, and nails shops > exist to every one barber shop. But at least 12 dozen men's porn and > erotic magazines to every one woman's. (Is Playgirl still even > published?) How many women's clothing stores exist for every one > man's? > > It's just the way it is. Everyone, men and women, think images of > females are esthetically pleasing, but only very specific images of > men are (eg hunky actors and bodybuilders). > > For myself, I think your quest is worthy of a Cervantes character. :-) > > > Oh yeah: then there's the issue of the PDML list itself. I could be > mistaken, but I find I get a pretty lukewarm reception to images of > models fully clothed, and downright chilly to semi-nude and nude ones. > Posting anything "pornier" than that (and uncovered genitals would be > interpreted that way I fear) could bring out the pitchforks and > torches. I can't be the only PESO pusher who has had that reaction. > The PDML has no appetite for it. I posted some tasteful rear-view candle-lit female nudes about a dozen years ago. From the lefties I got the "objectifying women" spiel and from the other end of the spectrum I got the "children might be looking" nonsense. It got ugly, and I left the list for a while. Not all the whiners, BTW, were U.S. residents. Paul > > I know that you're not a prude, Frank, and I'm certainly not either. > But I think the list contains a large percentage of, if not prudes, > then folks uncomfortable viewing nudes. Maybe it's the large > percentage USA makeup? [There. I said it. :-) That should breathe new > life into this thread.] > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: >> And I'll say it again: >> >> I am not saying there needs to be "equality". Just a bit of balance. >> >> I'm not planning on counting but the way it is now only naked women appear >> here. It just doesn't seem fair, dammit! >> >> Cheers, >> frank > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
