"Because they're different." That could be an excuse for all manner of discriminatory practices...
Cheers, frank Walt <[email protected]> wrote: >There's also the not-so-minor consideration of the fact that, at least >in my limited experience (albeit, all non-nude), women seem to be much >more apt to agree to be photographed. > >The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated >differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're >different. > >-- Walt > > > > >On 11/24/2013 8:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> As a footnote to this, female artists who portray the human body >choose to celebrate the female form by a wide margin. A woman friend >who works in oils once told me that she finds the curves of a woman's >body much more inspiring. She much prefers males for other purposes. >Your crusade is political correctness >> run amok. Try to get free of the liberal leash. >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? >>> >>> Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean >it should be done here. >>> >>> And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the >male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons? >>> >>> Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more >beautiful than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any >facts whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? >>> >>> Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery >owners to purchasers is male-dominated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> frank >>> >>> Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. >Art >>>> history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you >should >>>> mount a protest at the Met. >>>> >>>> Paul via phone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf <[email protected]> >wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's >recent >>>> series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed >>>> specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole >female >>>> nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and >likely >>>> will do so again. >>>>> My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's >not >>>> because they're sexualized by showing "dirty parts". It's because >>>> there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes. >>>>> As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen >in >>>> some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here. >>>>> A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to >>>> have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment >I >>>> recall was something to the effect that, "all I see here is gay >>>> soft-core porn". >>>>> No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice >light, >>>> nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself. >>>>> I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard >here: >>>> it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why? >>>>> I understand that an individual photographer will say, "But I >don't >>>> want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't >>>> appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to >choose to >>>> photograph only female nudes." >>>>> Fair enough. >>>>> >>>>> And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and >>>> relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous. >>>>> But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It >>>> sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being >>>> portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons >>>> which takes away from other aspects of their being. >>>>> I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives. >>>>> >>>>> However until there is some balance between portrayal of the >genders >>>> I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females >will >>>> be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's >right. >>>>> I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I >won't >>>> encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances). >>>>> In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting >>>> the politically correct lefty party line. So be it. >>>>> What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks >for >>>> you indulgence. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and >>>> follow the directions. >>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >[email protected] >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
