It doesn't sound like things have changed a great deal. I'm curious, in your part of the country, how do the solar panels effect re-sale value of the home? Personally, if I were installing them I wouldn't care, but if I thought I was moving in the next few years I might. gs
George Sinos -------------------- [email protected] www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is an estimate received this week: > > $0.00 Down > $257/month > Fixed for 20 years – no increase > 14,720 kWh/yr. > 96% offset > > OR > > $33,504 initial cost > Electrical Savings: $2,700/yr. > State Incentive: $2,100/yr. > Net: $4,800/yr. > ROI: 14.3% > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, George Sinos <[email protected]> wrote: >> Also, it should be understood that wind and solar are alternatives, >> not replacements for traditional power plants. Solar and wind must be >> backed up by traditional generation, even if it is held in reserve. >> When the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, people still >> want electricity. >> >> So, wind and solar can be used to defer the use of traditional >> resources, but eventually those traditional resources will be needed. >> As Paul says, currently wind and solar make up a very, very small >> percentage of current generation and it's likely to be that way for a >> long time. There just isn't enough space to build all of the wind >> turbines and solar panels that would be necessary. >> >> I'm curious to hear a recent cost scenario for solar on a typical >> home. Just a year or two ago installing enough panels to generate a >> significant amount of power had a 20 to 30 year payback. Very few >> people are willing (or able) to make that kind of investment. >> >> I'm not against wind or solar, I just don't see the significant growth >> of their use happening soon. >> >> gs >> >> George Sinos >> -------------------- >> [email protected] >> www.georgesphotos.net >> plus.georgesinos.com >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Duh.... Me too >>>> >>>> Kenneth Waller >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being >>>>> "scary" was because I thought it was a nuclear plant. >>>>> >>>>> Not that coal is ideal but if one believes the current propaganda it can >>>>> actually be quite clean these days. I think I'd prefer fossil fuel to >>>>> nuclear. >>>>> >>> >>> Coal is by far the dirtiest fuel that can be burned to produce energy, even >>> with high-tech scrubbing devices. They can't scrub away the greenhouse >>> gases. Natural gas is much better, for example, but the ill-founded >>> fracking paranoia has limited development of that resource. As public >>> hysteria leads to the shuttering of more nuclear plants, the >>> power-producing infrastructure will get dirtier. Much dirtier. Some >>> super-clean super-safe hydro plants are being shut down as well in order to >>> save fish. The current population of active and planned windmills and solar >>> installations has minimal effect on the overall picture. Clean power is a >>> LONG way off. >>> >>> Paul >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- >>>>> Christopher Hitchens >>>>> >>>>> --- Original Message --- >>>>> >>>>> From: Steven Desjardins <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: August 11, 2012 8/11/12 >>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>>>> >>>>> Nope. Fall River, Mass. That's a coal-fired power plant. The hot >>>>> water they were releasing into the river was harming the fish, so they >>>>> built cooling towers like aNuclear plant. It's essentially a >>>>> self-contained system. As funny as it is, those towers make the plant >>>>> a bit more green. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Walter Hamler <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Is that Three Mile Is, PA ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Walt >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Steven Desjardins <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I went to my hometown last week to visit my family. I hadn't been >>>>>>> home in about 4 years, and I while walking through the park I got a >>>>>>> good view of some new construction: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/i-bmxVGWm/0/XL/towers-XL.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm about 3 miles away. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Steve Desjardins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Steve Desjardins >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
