Good points, Jack. I think I'd pursue additional burning (or is it dodging?) to darken her arm/glove to make it stand out less. I already started that and probably needed to go further. I wouldn't want to crop out the gloves 'cause I like that element. Soften the opposite glove to balance? Hmmm. That might work too.
Thanks! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Jack Davis <[email protected]> wrote: > You were working with an extremely shallow DOF. I let it go initially because > my feeling was that you were demonstrating lens performance. > When image flaws became the "focus" I decided to comment. > May be that cropping will, at times, be the solution or an edit softening in > post. > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Walker <[email protected]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: PESO Lee > > Okay, I see that. Yeah, being a dominate close element, the arm/glove > is a bit too soft. > > But something had to give. The in-focus plain is deep enough to > include her face and ear, and cuts right down the center of her chest. > I could have asked her to press her right arm over tighter to get it > into focus, but that would have squeezed her boobs in a rather lewd > way, and completely changed the tone of the image to something I'm not > intending at all. > > Photography: if you're lucky you get to *choose* your compromises. > > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Jack Davis <[email protected]> wrote: >> The near arm at the top of the glove and the hair on the upper right though >> less concerning. >> Both these areas go beyond "soft impression" to fuzzy. >> >> Jack >> >> From: Bruce Walker <[email protected]> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 3:48 PM >> Subject: Re: PESO Lee >> >> More DoF? I'm curious: what were you hoping to see sharper, Jack? I >> was after the softness and flow that Derby noted; fits with the soft >> indirect light (the vertical blinds forced indirect light). >> >> Thanks for looking and commenting, Jack! >> >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Jack Davis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> My feelings as well, Frank. I see a bit of anxiety. >>> As an aside; needs greater DOF. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> To: ""Pentax-Discuss Mail List"" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 9:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: PESO Lee >>> >>> Well, maybe it's just me. So far several have commented and I seem to be >>> the only one who senses this expression of discomfort. >>> >>> Btw, just to be clear, I'm not saying that she actually feels discomfort >>> or trepidation, just that I'm getting it from her facial expression. I >>> certainly understand that you've captured a split-second in time and >>> whatever is there was fleeting at most; as you said, possibly "transitional" >>> between looks. >>> >>> But so far I seem to be alone on this one, so carry on... >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> frank >>> >>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- >>> Christopher Hitchens >>> >>> --- Original Message --- >>> >>> From: Bruce Walker <[email protected]> >>> Sent: May 7, 2012 5/7/12 >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: PESO Lee >>> >>> Frank, I thank you for bring this up. I share with a lot of people the >>> inability to read subtle expressions. I will freely admit to choosing >>> this shot as a keeper to retouch and present because of the framing, >>> the sharp eyes but overall softness -- technical reasons. I saw a >>> contemplative vulnerability in her expression, but didn't think about >>> it much more. I was hoping for a relaxed, natural look. >>> >>> It's tricky shooting anything close to a candid with Lee because she's >>> always "on". As soon as she sees a camera pointed at her she starts >>> going through a routine of poses, even while just sitting. I may have >>> caught her midway between two canned expressions (she specializes in >>> pinups, so has a fine repertoire of pouts and giddy smiles), or I may >>> have caught a "why doesn't this guy just go away and let me chill >>> here" look -- I dunno. >>> >>> Anyway, I think this works because it is ambiguous. Once I started >>> thinking about your observation I figured, this is good--makes you >>> think. In other words, it is not obvious. For me "not obvious" is >>> desirable in a shot. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Technically this is a brilliant shot (as all yours are) but I see a look >>> > unease and trepidation on her face, especially in her eyes. It's as if she >>> > was being very sexy but suddenly saw something that she's afraid of. >>> > >>> > If that is what you were going for then the photo is a success. >>> > >>> > I will be interested see if anyone else gets that from her expression or >>> > if it's just me. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > frank >>> > >>> > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- >>> > Christopher Hitchens >>> > >>> > --- Original Message --- >>> > >>> > From: Bruce Walker <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: May 7, 2012 5/7/12 >>> > To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: PESO Lee >>> > >>> > Shot first, rhetoric follows ... >>> > >>> > http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7150745325/lightbox/ >>> > >>> > Many would say this couldn't be done: vintage K100D Super, ISO 800, >>> > DA* 55 wide open at f/1.4. Accident totally waiting to happen. >>> > >>> > "It'll be uselessly noisy!" ... "It'll all be way too soft!" ... "6 >>> > megapixels isn't enough!" >>> > >>> > You be the judge. >>> > >>> > At a posing and direction workshop held by my friend Neeto da Silva. I >>> > was kind of a guest participant, and I got this in the chill-out area >>> > while Lee and I were waiting our turns on-set. Model is Lee Riley, >>> > hair & makeup is Christine Chan. Retouch is moi. >>> > >>> > Comments welcome! >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -bmw >>> > >>> > -- >>> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> > follow the directions. >>> > -- >>> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> > follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -bmw >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -bmw >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
