I've learned something new, today, Bob - I HATE prune juice! I'm envious of your 4x5 capabilities. I tried medium format for a while but didn't find that it offered that much over 35 for the type shooting I do. I would like to try some 4x5 stuff but have been reluctant to invest the $$$ needed to get started.
I like your compromise of the Horseman and may give that some consideration as time goes by, but, at my age, of course, there may not be much time :)! Dave -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Rapp Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Dave, Know that you have had your prune juice, I should mention that I have always tried to accomplish with 35mm what I would expect in medium format. Likewise, in medium format what I would expect in large format. I once had all and, speaking of intoxicating, nothing matches a fine-grained 4X5 negative. I have since cooled down and have a Horseman VHR that I use for medium format. It offers the flexibility of a view and ease as a range-finder. Sorry, Bob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Rapp Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Hatfield Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise >From David Hatfield <I don't know, Bruce (et. al.). Seems to me that zooms are finding their own spot in today's photographic world. Years ago the argument for using primes centered on the fact that they were generally a higher quality lens that what you could find in even the highest priced zooms. I don't believe that to be the case anymore. Today's technology and production have brought zoom quality to a point that, if placed side by side, few if any could pick out shots made with primes as opposed to those made with zooms even at the highest magnification.> There is some truth to the above. Film for 35mm point and shoot cameras dominate the consumer film market. As a result, the emulsions that were prominent prior the "New Era" are gone. The above would not apply in the case of Kodachrome 25 and Pamatomic X. Older members of the list will recall the day that Kodachrome 25 was the prominent film found at all grocery store checkouts and the only colour film was Kodacolor 100 for 126. The difference between a zoom and prime are noticeable when using B&W. The eye is easily intoxicated by the colour where it is the sharpness in a B&W Image. Bob -----Original Message------ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise Certainly an interesting observation. I have been somewhat resistant to using zooms much for fear of the same thing happening to me. I really only have one zoom that I take now (Tokina 28-70 f:2.8) and find that I don't want it to be the default lens. But for how things fit in the bag, it is easiest to leave on the body. There are a few cases where the zoom is handy - basically when the subject keeps running around (kids, soccer, birthday party). Other than that I have tried to stick with the primes. I have been toying with getting a wide zoom, but your post gives me something to think about. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Only using my prime lenses - I promise > Hi everybody, > > Wanta start a discussion about zooms vs. primes? :-) > > I was out meandering around yesterday looking for autumn fall color shots > and the thought occurred to me that my prime lenses have seen too little use > lately. I usually have a zoom attached as the default lens... why? > Convenience maybe, or maybe I'm afraid I'll miss a shot because I had a 28mm > lens on-body when I needed a 200mm. When I do use a prime lens, I > immediately take it off and put the zoom back on, in part, because the zoom > is FAT and is harder to get in/out the lens pocket of the camera bag. > > I was blinded by a flash of insight and did some self-examination. Yes, I > AM A PITIFUL EXAMPLE OF THE SPECIES, A ROTTEN HUSBAND AND BAD FATHER! Those > things aside, I started thinking about how I have been shooting with a zoom > and realized how hindering to creativity it seems to be for me. Even though > the 28-200 does wide angle, when was the last time I consciously thought > about using it that way. Or composed with it purposely at 28mm? I can't > remember. > > What's happening is when I see a scene I consider shooting, I adjust the > focal length [FL] :-) until I'm happy with what I see in the viewfinder and > snap the picture. I feel likes it's turning me into a point and shooter. I > haven't been using the wide-angle capability to it's full advantage, for > instance, I could be using the short-focussing distance and greater DOF to > my advantage composition-wise. I should be looking for those shots, and I > DID when I purposely put a 28mm prime on, BEFORE I had a zoom. Same with > longer lenses. With the zoom, I'm just using it to get closer, instead of > thinking about how a long lens compresses things and then using it as a > composition tool. And with the relatively small maximum apertures of the > zooms, I think I've been missing shots a faster lens would allow, especially > if I did not have a tripod. > > So... I've decided to take my zooms out of the camera bag for an indefinite > period of time, at least a month, maybe forever unless it's a family > vacation. I will only use a M 28mm, FA 43mm, FA 100mm macro, and M 200mm. > I hope to see a difference in the results, both in quality and composition. > > Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. 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