You are throwing out the "withs" in my statement
and then saying you don't agree. That doesn't make
much of an argument to me.

And then saying some somejects don't need it
which I agree but that doenst make what I said
false. In fact, it is sort of like saying I know
your right, but I don't always need it, so your wrong.

I just said that ***using best 35mm films, lenses and processing
you can exceed the RESOLUTION **** a DSLR
with a 6Mp APS size sensor (non-foveon) can resolve.
JCO




-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:03 PM
To: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests


I think that most of us who shoot DSLR's now would agree with your
statement.  One thing that seems to muddy the waters is that the
opportunity to get really good processing may not be readily available
to some.  On top of that, there are many subjects that don't demand high
resolution.  In those cases, the digital image can look as good or
better due to the lack of grain.  For many practical purposes, digital
resolution (6mp aps sensor)is good enough.  For those cases where it
isn't, shoot film.

Bruce


Thursday, November 4, 2004, 10:37:56 AM, you wrote:

JCOC> with really good lenses and film and processing
JCOC> 35mm can exceed the resolution of a 6MP non-
JCOC> foveon APS digital sensor. I don't think there is
JCOC> any debate on that....

JCOC> JCO

JCOC> -----Original Message-----
JCOC> From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:45 AM
JCOC> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests


JCOC> True!
JCOC> Thanks for the link, Rob. My concern is, that he/she measure
exaosed and
JCOC> developed FILM, not prints, that can never really reproduce what's
JCOC> recorded. In real life I believe there's no big difference,
JCOC> resolutionwise between prints or scans from a 6 MP digital camera
and
JCOC> files/prints made freom 35mm negs. My test show this very clearly.
If
JCOC> there were, I'm sure I would use my filmcameras more :-).

JCOC> Jens Bladt
JCOC> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


JCOC> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
JCOC> Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> Sendt: 4. november 2004 10:16
JCOC> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> Emne: RE: USAF target and resolution tests


JCOC> On 4 Nov 2004 at 7:28, Jens Bladt wrote:

>> 1800??
>> Strange figure. There's 3024 pixels (RAW) covering a little less than
>> one inch. How is that 1800 line pairs?

JCOC> Remember that the each pixel records the luminance of either red,
green
JCOC> or blue, the luminance of any other colour at each point is a
calculated
JCOC> guess. Interpolating to produce an image with greater final pixel
JCOC> dimensions will provide no more data it just produces transitional
JCOC> values pixel to pixel that are calculated based on the measured
data.
JCOC> Regardless of the factor of over- sampling (interpolation) you
will
JCOC> still end up with approximately the same actual line pairs per mm
but
JCOC> they will be spread over more pixels.

>> So, as far as I'm concerned, a 200 ASA superia and a 35mm pentax 
>> camera
JCOC> and lens
>> can't really outperform a 5 MP digital camera.

JCOC> The following article should interest you:

JCOC> http://pws.prserv.net/varney/iso/digflmres.htm#top

JCOC> Cheers,


JCOC> Rob Studdert
JCOC> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
JCOC> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
JCOC> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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JCOC> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
JCOC> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998






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