You have completely missed my point so I am not going to
"drop it". I do NOT "like fast films" because the quality is
not as good as the slower films but given a choice of two
films with EXACT SAME IMAGE QUALITY I would take the much faster
one in a minute. I rarely if ever have a problem with my
shutter speeds needed being too fast for the camera.

I am nearly always wishing I had WAY more
film speed without giving up quality. This is especially true
with large format because the lenses are longer, the resolution
is higher and that means you need faster speeds to prevent blur and much
smaller
fstops ( to get sufficent DOF) so I would LOVE to be able
to get faster films with same exact quality as todays slower ones.

I think you are arguing that slow and fast films are different
and they are as it is today but I what I am saying is if the fast ones
had
exact same image quality as the slow ones the slow ones
would be obsolete because slower is worse from a practical 
standpoint nearly all the time.

JCO


-----Original Message-----
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: B&W developers and Tri-x ??


For some people that's fine.  For the kind of photography I do, adding
filters is a PITA.  With the slr's the ND filter reduces the amount of
light through the finder.  Not so good for me ... I like bright
contrasty finders.  Look, let's just drop it.  You like fast films, they
work for you.  I prefer a slower film whenever possible.  They work for
me.  And, as I said before, and as Bill pointed out, the differences in
grain, tonality, and feel of one film compared to another are noticeable
and important considerations for some photographers, myself included.
And, just to add a bit of emphasis, my cameras don't have fast shutter
speeds.  Rarely will I use the Leicas at anything faster than 1/500, but
I do shoot a lot between 1/8 and 1/30 hand held.


Shel (Rarely is all else equal)


> [Original Message]
> From: J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 10/24/2004 9:42:03 AM
> Subject: RE: B&W developers and Tri-x ??
>
> oh yeah,
>
> Faster is better in that you can "slow down" fast
> films with simple ND filters IF YOU REALLY NEEDED TO,
> but there is no way to "speed up" slower films in
> such as simple way and without losing quality the
> way push processing does.


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