Your position in all this however is somewhat unclear, as is your motivation, as you do not bring your own views to the debate. Your method of dialogue seems to involve not stating an opinion yourself but jumping on those who do.
Christians arguments did not hold water IMO as I feel you can not say that a lens is a penut (using your analogy) and at the same time say it is a great lens.
As to Frank, my experience of him is that he is just another one of the abnoxious individuals on this list, who feel that mobbing is a perfectly legitimate way of behaving, along with Bob S, Bob Blakely, and a few others.
I can assure you that I do not feel bad and certainly do not participate in these debates to make anyone else feel so, nor make myself feel better.
Finally, you wrote that "The quarrel is with the photographic conditions, not with the subject in the viewfinder". Care to elaborate?
Antonio
On 12 Jun 2004, at 12:07, Ryan Lee wrote:
Antonio, who wrote:
Hey Frank,
There is no need for shouting or foul language. If you cant debate a point like and adult, do us all a favour, dont debate it at all.
also wrote (to Christian):
What a load of rubish. You are just being contrary because I said it was a dog.
Antonio, there really isn't anyone picking apart your opinion on the lens.
You've said it's a dog, and people nod and acknowledge you think it's a
substandard lens. On the other hand, when Christian says it's a great lens
but he wouldn't pay more than $30 dollars, he just means it's a good lens
that is not physically worth that much (just like one wouldn't pay $30 for a
good peanut). You did not show a disagreement with his opinion, but made it
personal.
Your method of dialogue hasn't left any leeway for discussion, nor does it
foster the environment for it. I can understand Frank's frustration, and
wasn't nice to witness, because Frank is one of the most pleasant, neutral
people on this list.
I don't have any quarrel with you, but recommend that sometimes, take a step
back before you make yourself feel better by trying to make someone else
feel worse.
The quarrel is with the photographic conditions, not with the subject in
your viewfinder.
Cheers, Ryan
