Okay I really didn’t want to get into this because the whole discussion has 
really become off-topic but basically there seems to be a whole heap of miss 
information going around about Apple Mac and Voiceover and the below sequence 
of emails just proves that.

To the original sender, look up the documentation and tutorials, join a Mac 
list and ask questions etc rather than rely on mythical statements or 
statements that may have been true in the past but are not true now.

Using Voiceover on a Mac is the same as using JAWS on a Windows PC, using 
Talkback on an Android phone, using Voiceover on an IOS etc, you have to 
“Learn” how it works and be fed correct information on the tools on how to use 
your Screen Reader.


> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:22 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah yeah another good point. All though can't you do a VO key lok or
> something so you don't always have to do that? I use to know all this but
> since I never really put it in practice and even worse I've lost all those
> podcasts. I now forget.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
> Olesen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:29 AM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
> 
> Hi,
> Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes
> though.
> On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac.
> 
> Brian
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Robert
> Nelson
> Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40
> Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
> 
> 
> Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and VoiceOver is
> only the beginning.
> 
> If you had no experience with windows, you would accept  that the awkward
> way things are done in MAC OS  is normal but with a little experience of
> windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those who
> devised the OS and VoiceOver.
> 
> However, given your experience in windows you may find that something like
> audio editing  has a steep learning curve.  Yes, I know that Garage Band,
> Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for
> sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating.
> 
> The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I
> would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it important
> enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the things
> you might want to do are possible through your I Phone.
> 
> Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and
> flames of the Apple fans!
> 
> Bob Nelson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
> Logue
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
> 
> Hi Devon and Hamit.
> 
> I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so
> brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't  have the self confidence to try it out
> for myself.
> 
> What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my mail
> and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend some
> time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic?  eh?  Especially if
> 
> I joined a blind mac list.
> 
> One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in glasgow,
> will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop.  Perhaps they may
> be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my
> blindness?  Worth checking out eh?
> 
> Thanks for your ideas guys.  For the meantime, I'm going to check out
> everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Andy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devin Prater" <d.pra...@me.com>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
> 
> 
> Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac. Just
> wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff 
>> but you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you 
>> must then now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question 
>> correctly. I had learned Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Andy Logue
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I love everything audio concerning my computer.  I've music, described 
>> movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to 
>> record streaming music.  I also love burning the odd CD for a friend 
>> and recently, I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more 
>> interesting audio work.
>> 
>> Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new 
>> Imac Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system.
>> 
>> Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support 
>> for a new comer like myself about.
>> 
>> Any advice would be very much appriciated.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> 
>> 
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