Yep I agree with most of that and most of the AV Receivers these days have very 
nice headphone amps that come part of the parcel.

When I can I’m going to the Addicted To Audio store to listen again to these 
cans as well as the Senheiser cans used as a comparison.

> On 27 Oct 2015, at 1:14 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> The volume issue and the less than super punchy bass are why a little
> headphone amp is a nice thing, unless you have a good stereo pre-amp in
> your home system. Theese phones are still nice on portable devices, but
> way nicer with the addition of that headphone amp. And their size and
> long cable do make for a less than super convenient portable
> experience. But the spacious sound stage really has to be heard to be
> believed, especially with a good amp.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

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