Haven't got to the start of this thread, but oh my Word, fancy this coming up again.
Agree with Steve Green about the snap crackle and pop, but these almost religeous disputes have gone on for ever, or since early recording history. there were and maybe still are, those who praised acoustic recording over electircal recording, and by itself that hints at more than a touch of the off the wall sort of attitudes around this. Yep, Hi Fi separates are good and even better, but there are some good integrated units about from high end manufacturers. I've had a QUAD audio system (British Hi Fi maker, now Chinese owned, for some 30 years or more and it sounds good and I've never had it repaired. In the end it is all subjective but I gave up on Hi Fi magazines when one reviewer pronounced that while ""auditioning" a low-mid price system in his upstairs study, he could hear his wife downstairs playing the no compromise system down stairs, and despite the floor boards and carpets in between the system had more subtlety even through these than the more modest affair he was listening too. If you believe this sort of thing then you're on a different plannet to me! Ray. (Hoping this message gets through as Plusnet's giving me a hard time today.) Ray STEPHEN GREEN wrote: Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Toews" <br...@ogts.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today > The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which > you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, > you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. > > Bruce > > On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: > >> Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality >> reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is >> a >> raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part >> this >> debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred >> listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while >> others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I >> have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it >> gives >> him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music >> fan >> and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others >> like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the >> sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much >> more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one >> prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always >> recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have >> listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different >> combination >> of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember >> when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by >> changing >> one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing >> something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although >> you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your >> own >> home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they >> may >> allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl >> versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but >> bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a >> bit >> of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always >> wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with >> their >> purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise >> whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As >> for >> the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, >> in >> my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system >> and >> although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main >> purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how >> a?300 >> PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my >> Hi-Fi >> system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the >> result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's >> original >> size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose >> but >> for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my >> PC >> fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I >> take >> the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends >> on >> what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of >> years >> down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a >> comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to >> California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the >> other >> hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which >> vehicle would you rather use? If you want high quality sound >> reproduction >> then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and >> vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you >> want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably >> enjoyable >> listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed >> through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the >> sound >> quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space >> questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of >> subject that merits a glib response. 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