You are quite correct, of course. I wasn't clear enough in my message.
Thanks for adding this, I totally agree.

Bruce


On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:15:48 +0100, "Walter Ramage"
<w...@blueyonder.co.uk> said:
> Hi Bruce.  I think what you say will only allow an individual to decide
> what
> he prefers.  There is no definitive answer as to what format is superior
> as
> it always depends on what sounds good to any individual's ears. As to the
> Technical debate, well one could argue over this until the cows come
> home.
> In the end it is all about the music and many years ago I discovered that
> I
> an my friends were listening to the equipment and not what was being
> played
> upon it and thus, we were never satisfied.  Now I listen to the music and
> try to get as much clarity as possible but if I enjoy what I hear, it
> doesn't matter what it is played on.  Walter.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]on Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: 08 June 2009 06:04
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today
> 
> 
> The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which
> you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner,
> you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote:
> 
> > Hi.  In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality
> > reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment.  There has been and still is
> a
> > raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD.  For the most part
> this
> > debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred
> > listening experience.  Some people like a very forward stereo image while
> > others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers.  I
> > have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it
> gives
> > him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music
> fan
> > and attends lots of concerts.  Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others
> > like firm and prominent bass.  Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the
> > sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much
> > more detailed all be it more clinical.  The only way to compare what one
> > prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always
> > recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have
> > listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination
> > of equipment.  In truth, you really do get what you pay for.  I remember
> > when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by
> changing
> > one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality.  Even changing
> > something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference.  Although
> > you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own
> > home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they
> may
> > allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ.  So vinyl
> > versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but
> > bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a
> bit
> > of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in.  It is always
> > wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with
> their
> > purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise
> > whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers.  As
> for
> > the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices,
> in
> > my opinion there is no competition.  Basically a PC is a storage system
> and
> > although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main
> > purpose.  You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300
> > PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi
> > system.  Another draw back is with file compression.  MP3 files are the
> > result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original
> > size and hence has quality loss.  These files are fine for their purpose
> but
> > for serious listening, they lack quality.  I listen to these files on my
> PC
> > fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I
> take
> > the CD down to the big system and let it rip.  I think it really depends
> on
> > what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years
> > down the road.  I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a
> > comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to
> > California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in?  On the
> other
> > hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which
> > vehicle would you rather use?    If you want high quality sound
> reproduction
> > then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and
> > vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options.  If you
> > want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably
> enjoyable
> > listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed
> > through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound
> > quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space
> > questions.  I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of
> > subject that merits a glib response.  Walter.
> >
> >
> >
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