Hi,
there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits breaking
encryption on files. This has been one of the complaints of people for ages
that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd for thier own use
because it violates the DMCA.
Rick
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats
Bruce,
This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about
Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There is
really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or otherwise using
products they own for their own purposes. I assume the manufacturer's
purpose behind the provision you quote is to discourage dissemination of
these materials. But if individuals don't have that intention, I doubt the
manufacturer would have any reason to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking
something. All that said, I share your concern that we all respect
copyrighted materials and use them only for ourselves and maybe a friend
or two.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <br...@ogts.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats
It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.
Bruce
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the legal
jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus "fair use" in the
US would allow you to convert Audible books into another format for your
own personal use.
Audible's terms and conditions at
http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
following:
6. Grants of Licenses
a. Audible Content License. When you "clickout" or otherwise "purchase"
(referred to herein, collectively as "Purchase") Audible Content from the
Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited, revocable, non-exclusive,
non-transferable license to download or stream such Audible Content to
your computer and/or your Device(s) solely for your personal
non-commercial use. You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute or use the
Audible Content in any other manner. You shall not sell, transfer, lease,
modify, distribute or publicly perform the Audible Content in any manner
and you shall not exploit it commercially. Do not (A) decompile,
disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content or attempt to do so;
or (B) modify the Audible Content or create any derivative works
therefrom. This license to the Audible Content you Purchase will continue
for as long as your copy of Audible Content exists pursuant to and in
accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.
In doing some searching on the web, there are quite a few sites that say
converting Audible books to MP3 is legal in the US under "fair use" while
others say that Audible's terms and conditions preclude doing this. I'm
not sure that I've seen anything definitive on either side though. A lot
of people say it's illegal without quoting any laws or T&C's, while others
say it can't be illegal due to "fair use", but I'm not sure they
understand "fair use" or not. For my part, I would think it is legal to
convert and Audible file to MP3, but I would not give this MP3 file to
anyone or place it anywhere where anyone else to get to it. If you do
this, I doubt a law enforcement agency here in the US would go after you.
Bruce Toews wrote: It can't be legally done. The terms of service to which
you agreed prohibit it.
Bruce
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Sylvia wrote:
Hi list, I recently joined Audible, and I wanted to find out if there are
any programs that will allow you to convert Audible files to the mp3
format. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Sylvia.
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