What sort of accessabilty, visual? Speech? On 20/07/2007, at 8:11 AM, Gary Wood wrote:
I just read some info about the fact that ATT and Code Factory are working together to provide accessible software for their phones! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Weighing Up accessability > Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there > is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is > mainly for "voice prompting" etc but its at least a start and > positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something > bigger. > Of course we all long for the "perfect device" but until we get such > a device then we have to "live and let live", adapt where possible > and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive > comment never did anyone any harm. > The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development > costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the > investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The > other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up > with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do > that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones > built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure > other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are > devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the > same problem, these devices do cost. > > On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: > > I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the > phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of > the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large > percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers > like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features > into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they > aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market > they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some > folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't > even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm > not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for > me. > > > > > > > of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: >> I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with >> accessability in mind. >> >> On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: >> >> Um, >> >> Actually, >> >> The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to >> the OS. >> >> rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS >> have. >> >> Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch >> screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to >> impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device >> stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit >> of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone >> I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are >> being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or >> similar keyboard. >> May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything >> about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or >> most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers >> to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal >> who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. >> On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: >> >> maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why >> blindness >> organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill >> that is >> worth the trouble. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Thankfully yes! >> >> The majority of the sighted market. >> >> definitely not the accessible market >> >> I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for >> three >> years now. >> >> It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. >> >> kG. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard >> drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever >> if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may >> be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their >> isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know, >> the "wheel" interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the >> end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority >> in the market. >> >> On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: >> >> Sorry dude! >> >> Not impressed. I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox. >> >> Now, if your telling me that Apple is going to launch the promised >> speech >> capabilities of Ipods, then I will really be impressed...KG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list." <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:29 PM >> Subject: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Ok, that's what today's press here is writing about and what's so >> good about this. 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