I think it's speech! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Weighing Up accessability
> What sort of accessabilty, visual? Speech? > > On 20/07/2007, at 8:11 AM, Gary Wood wrote: > > I just read some info about the fact that ATT and Code Factory are > working > together to provide accessible software for their phones! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: Weighing Up accessability > > >> Thanks for that, said all I wanted to say in a nutshell. Yes, there >> is no doubt that the Nokia and Lg phoens have TTS in them but that is >> mainly for "voice prompting" etc but its at least a start and >> positive comment to the manufacturers could result in something >> bigger. >> Of course we all long for the "perfect device" but until we get such >> a device then we have to "live and let live", adapt where possible >> and use what we have at our disposal, in the meantime positive >> comment never did anyone any harm. >> The other issue is, who's going to pay for all the extra development >> costs needed for accessability products? I don't know whether the >> investors in Nokia would be too happy about that just quietly. The >> other solution of course is to design a product from the ground up >> with accessability in mind, Nokia never have and I doubt ever will do >> that, again it comes down to cost. There have been mobile phones >> built for accessability, can't remember their names now but I'm sure >> other people will put me on the right track and of course, there are >> devices round such as the Icon. Now that said, we come back to the >> same problem, these devices do cost. >> >> On 20/07/2007, at 4:11 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: >> >> I'd actually say Dane is correct on this one, cause most of the >> phones that have TTS built in weren't done so with accessibility of >> the blind in mind. We are a very small market and unless a large >> percentage of our group starts making noise, the phone manufacturers >> like Nokia won't even consider putting accessibility related features >> into their phones, because the bottom line is selling them, and they >> aren't going to put a special feature in for 1 percent of the market >> they're selling to. I'm not sure if I'm as hot on the iPhone as some >> folks are. To me it's far too expensive and right now, I wouldn't >> even be able to use some of its features, nore would I want to. I'm >> not saying anyone else shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying it's not for >> me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of our At 12:00 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: >>> I stand by what I said, the TTS was never put there with >>> accessability in mind. >>> >>> On 19/07/2007, at 11:16 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: >>> >>> Um, >>> >>> Actually, >>> >>> The LGVX 4500 and Nokia 3rd generation phones have a TTS built in to >>> the OS. >>> >>> rudimentary I admit but still, contrary to your statement...Keith >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> It doesn't actually, it has the wheel interface which current IPODS >>> have. >>> >>> Blind organisations have actually made feelings known about the touch >>> screen on an I phone but having said that Apple has done allot to >>> impliment accessability into the device, the nature of the device >>> stops us from using it which is unfortuante however if you have a bit >>> of vision then you'll have no trouble whatsoever in using the I phone >>> I'm told. Various options regarding accessability for the I phone are >>> being explored, the most likely being the use of a blue tooth or >>> similar keyboard. >>> May I remind listers that if Apple certainly haven't done anything >>> about speech on a mobile phone then neither has Nokia, Samsung or >>> most other phone manifacturers, its been up to third party developers >>> to get that ball rolling such as those who have developped Talks, Hal >>> who have a system out to get mobile phones to speak etc. >>> On 19/07/2007, at 10:56 AM, Don Ball wrote: >>> >>> maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why >>> blindness >>> organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't fill >>> that is >>> worth the trouble. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> Thankfully yes! >>> >>> The majority of the sighted market. >>> >>> definitely not the accessible market >>> >>> I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for >>> three >>> years now. >>> >>> It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. >>> >>> kG. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard >>> drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever >>> if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may >>> be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their >>> isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know, >>> the "wheel" interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the >>> end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority >>> in the market. >>> >>> On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: >>> >>> Sorry dude! >>> >>> Not impressed. I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox. >>> >>> Now, if your telling me that Apple is going to launch the promised >>> speech >>> capabilities of Ipods, then I will really be impressed...KG >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list." <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:29 PM >>> Subject: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >>> >>> >>> Ok, that's what today's press here is writing about and what's so >>> good about this. 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