Well, kind of sounds like a goverment website insisting that they are 
accessible if you can read their webpage with the Jaws cursor.  Sorry, but I 
don't buy it.  I don't see letting Apple off the hook for continuing their 
practice of ignoring the real access needs of blind and low vision users.  And, 
I don't call their attempt at access on the Mac access as anything to brag 
about either.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple


: Ok, well I wouldn't call it inaccessible, see my previous message but  
: I would say that you can use different ways to access it and screen  
: readers provide the tools for the job , an inaccessible programme to  
: me is one which you cannot navigate, cannot use, a screen reader  
: won't work with etc and Itunes 7.1 for Windows is far from that.
: 
: On 07/03/2007, at 7:14 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
: 
: Yes, I have tried iTunes 7.1 under windows, I wanted to try to have
: an open mind and try it, and guess what? It is still just as
: inaccessible as it was previously. So apple is still the lose, at
: least under the windows platform.
: and because Apple has made *absolutely* no efforts whatsoever in
: making the windows version of iTunes more accessible, I can't support  
: them.
: 
: 
: 
: 
: 
: 
: 
: 
: At 01:54 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote:
: > Has anyone tried it with windows
: >
: >
: >
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: > -----Original Message-----
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: > On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:38 PM
: > To: PC audio discussion list.
: > Subject: Fwd: Hats Off to Apple
: >
: > Ok, here's the announcement about the new version of Itunes for Mac.
: >
: >
: > Begin forwarded message:
: >
: >> Apple has truly done what some might consider impossible; on March 5,
: >> 2007, Apple unveiled a long-awaited update to iTunes with support for
: >> accessible clients such as VoiceOver.
: >>
: >> This comes nearly 22 months after the release of Mac OS X 10.4 which
: >> introduced the VoiceOver screen reader.  Since VoiceOver's
: >> introduction, the VO user community has been very vocal about the
: >> desire for an accessible iTunes.  Apple has listened and  
: >> delivered ...
: >> at long last!
: >>
: >> While iTunes' accessibility is a far cry from perfect, it does
: >> represent a significant step forward from what was possible before.
: >> Users can browse their iTunes library, search and preview songs from
: >> the iTunes Music Store, adjust song ratings, and much, much more.  If
: >> iTunes 7.1 is any indication, then we can expect improvements to
: >> iTunes accessibility in future releases of the product.
: >>
: >> Everyone who appreciates the work Apple has done to bring forth the
: >> accessible version of iTunes should E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
: >> and
: >> thank them for their hard work.  Many of us were quick to bash Apple
: >> for not making iTunes 7 accessible.  We should be just as quick to
: >> express our appreciation for iTunes 7.1.
: >>
: >> To that end, I say, "Hats off!"  Now please work on making the iPod
: >> and the iPhone accessible.
: >
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